The Cowboys remember the Giants 42 second TD march just before halftime in their divisional playoff game.
So much so that they acquired three cornerbacks in this year’s draft, getting Mike Jenkins in the 1st, trading a 4th rounder for Pacman Jones and moving up into the early 5th to get Orlando Scandrick. Corner was the biggest concern heading into the draft. Dallas has quality starters but Anthony Henry is injury-prone and Terence Newman is heading into a contract year. The team now has five corner prospects, if Jones is re-instated.
If Pacman is in uniform at Oxnard, he and Jenkins should represent a huge upgrade over Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones and give Dallas the man-to-man coverage depth to play their corners up on the line and be even more aggressive with the pass rush.
On the other side of the ball, Dallas entered the draft with only Marion Barber under contract at the running back spot. Julius Jones was allowed to leave and Tyson Thompson was an early roster casualty. Felix Jones appears to be an upgrade over Jones and 4th rounder Tashard Choice offers an across the board game the blocking-challenged Thompson couldn’t match.
Whether by design or accident, the Cowboys have been targeting specific spots in recent years. In ‘05, the team built a d-line from scratch, adding Marcus Spears, Chris Canty and Jay Ratliff. Last year offensive line depth was addressed in the middle rounds with the additions of Doug Free and James Marten.
Linebacker has been a constant in recent years with Demarcus Ware (1st in ‘05) Kevin Burnett (2nd in ‘05) Bobby Carpenter (1st in ‘06) and Anthony Spencer (1st in ‘07) all topping the Cowboys’ wish lists.
This year the secondary and backfield got the attention.
The other high pick saw Dallas get a replacement U-back for the departed Anthony Fasano. Martellus Bennett will get a chance to prove he’s more athletic than Fasano and can be a better blocker. John Garrett got the most out of Jason Witten in ‘07. If he can get Bennett to apply his outstanding athletic skills, Dallas will have a find.
Wide receiver was not called and it seemed that aside from a half-hearted attempt to trade up for James Hardy in the 2nd, the Cowboys were not thrilled by this class. To read the Detroit Free Press this morning, Roy Williams was Jerry Jones’ target but he could not get Matt Millen to trade him.
So, while teams like Washington are following New England’s lead and trying to outgun secondaries across the league, the Cowboys took the opposite tack, beefing up their coverage units to try and nullify any passing game they face.
Upside: Depth and talent for the backfield and secondary. Jenkins, Jones and Bennett have unquestioned athleticism.
Caveat: Jenkins and Bennett get dinged for having inconsistent work ethics. Jerry Jones joked at his Saturday press conference that his players could be special if they got good coaching. I’m guessing he wasn’t entirely joking. If Dave Campo and John Garrett can get Jenkins and Bennett to be true professionals, this draft could be special. Otherwise, the Bad Jerry jokes will again creep into the Cowboys’ discourse.
90 Comments to ‘Draft ‘08 — Disarm’: »
MUSICCITYNORM:
1st
casual1031:
donny are you always pissed off????
better to pissed off then pissed on eh buddy?????
casual1031:
unless your into that sort of thing….to each his own.
Trey:
Raf,
Thanks for your great work this weekend.
Anyone know a link that has up to date info on the draft day trades.
FanSince72:
Today really stunk with all the trades out of the 3rd and 4th. However, if you look at the state of the team after the draft, you have to be pretty happy.
RB - They had a great need at RB. They are now much stronger and arguably better than last year.
QB - They still need to address a backup for Romo, but they are no worse off than last year. A good QB project can be had in FA.
FB - They still have their draft pick from last year (I forget his name). He’ll be better this year than last if he can come back from his injury.
OL - No new bodies but another seasoning. They should be better as a unit and have greater depth.
DL - No new bodies. This is a big disappointment, however, they are no worse off than they were last year and the unit will continue to improve.
LB - Better leadership and experience from last year. They should be slightly better.
DB - Huge improvement here. We will have the best backfield in the NFL. I cannot wait to see how much effect this has on the DL’s stats. Sack totals should improve because they will have more time to get to the QB and turnovers will increase as well.
Special teams - More return specialists. That’s good, but I don’t see much to improve on coverage units. That is a concern.
Overall, there is much to like about where we are right now. If JJ keeps running the draft as he did today though, it won’t take long and this team will be back into the crapper. He needs to learn to have more patience and let the draft come to him. This was a deep draft and it just doesn’t make sense that he would trade away picks this year for next, when next year is likely to not be so deep. I don’t get the method to his madness.
cottonbowl:
I’ve been a lurker for a couple of years. I tried to get on this morning and you guys had reached your limit. Congrats Raf and Raul.
maplesyrup:
I’ve been a lurker too… Haven’t had much to say until today and have to admit it was fun exchanging views (and sometimes blows) with other ‘boys fans… Like I said before, thanks, Raf…
MUSICCITYNORM:
Well if your blowing someone I guess you met donny.
MUSICCITYNORM:
As much as everyone fights with donny he still has really good football knowledge.
maplesyrup:
lol
casual1031:
tooche’ Norm.. tooche’
CaliFanInTx:
FanSince72,
I actually think Jerry did a good job today…maybe not a great job, but a good one…we picked up a 3rd and 4th for next year by giving up some lower round picks for players that wouldn’t have made this team anyways.
Lest we forget, the Cowboys are a pretty strong and deep team already. I really can’t think of another team that is better off overall than we are at this point…and that includes teams like San Diego who many experts think is the most talented in the NFL.
Jerry’s pick of 6th round Walden is a bit confusing, but having seen what Jerry has done already in this draft, I can give him the benefit of the doubt. There could be something I don’t know…
It’s going to be fun seeing what happens with the undrafted free agency…we’ve done pretty well taking this talent in recent years.
Also, don’t forget future cuts by teams this summer…
Cowboys4Life:
Thanks for staying glued to the computer all weekend, Raf. All the work you put in is appreciated.
Oh, and Jerry Jones is a moron!
CaliFanInTx:
We have ammunition now to trade up next year with the extra picks if a player fits our needs…I’d say that’s pretty sweet…
Becho:
NT is the only thing that really disappointed me about this draft. Luckily there is still one good prospect out there that can be had in FA.
Maurice Murray New Mexico St.
6″ - 3 1/4′ 334lbs 5.10
Was a DE end in NMS’s 3-4. He has the size to move into the NT position and could provide a pass rush. Has the body to be effective against the run. Yep hes a project, but has the size to be good.
Gmoney:
What is the pick being given to Tennessee next year for Pacman?
Gmoney:
I think we have some serious upgrades at 2 spots - DB and RB.
However, I am a bit dissappointed that there were other options that were not pursued.
1. I prefer Mendenhall over Jones. I think M could be a new version of Thurman Thomas. We could have taken a speedball change of pace guy like Charles in the 3rd or 4th.
2. We could have taken Jenkins at 22, then either a RB or a WR at 28 - or traded down to take a WR in the 2nd and a runner in the 2nd.
3. We got too cute in the 4th. I hope all those aqcuisitions lead to something great between now and the ‘09 season, (i.e. Roy Williams WR). Because, we could have had Red Bryant AND T. Choice. . .or a decent WR.
4. It seems we always go after such projects in the 6th and 7th rounds. Now some have panned out recently…but there were good serrviceable players available instead of Walden - like Campbell, Arrington, Okam (ok, he wasn’t available when Walden was picked, but he went pretty darn late). I just wish Dallas would not look for projects, and instead look for steals that have fallen.
CaliFanInTx:
Becho,
Isn’t Remi Ayodele still on the roster…I seem to recall he showed flashes last year in the limited times he played. Can’t he back up Tank? Would a rookie (2nd day draft) do better than a guy with a year on the squad?
CaliFanInTx:
Been staring at our current offensive roster and I think it’s going to be very fun watching them next year. Most teams are going to have a difficult time defending us…talk about pick your poison…
Gmoney:
In the last thread I think the blogger from Cali was mentioning our high character picks.
I’m not trying to bring the party down, but I have to shine a light on the facts.
1. An Aggie friend of mine says that the team and the fans disliked Bennet. In his opinion, the consensus was that he’s a loud mouth, trash talker, who thinks WAY TOO highly of himself and never lived up to the his billing or hype. Good Riddance.”
2. Scandick appearantly has some off the field transgressions or issues.
3. Jenkins supposedly had some off the field issues or at least had some sort of “flags”.
Squidlo97:
GMoney, Thurman Thomas was good enough to keep(the)Barry Sanders on the bench at Oklahoma St. Mendenhall wasnt good enought to keep an undrafted FA on the bench. Not agood comparison
Potential undrafted free agents:
SS Marcus Griffin
OG Drew Radovich
OLB Wesley Woodyard - Move to safety
FS Simeon Castille
QB Kyle Wright
QB Anthony Morelli
WR Adarius Bowman
WR D.J Hall
WR Maurice Purify
DT Matt Malele
DT Frank Morton
OC Matt Spanos
OC Fernando Velasco
OC Doug Legursky
OC Adam Spieker
CaliFanInTx:
Gmoney,
I was the guy who wrote about the character…my information is largely based on what I have been able to gleaned from the various sports channels and the web…I didn’t run across any off field problems with any of the players we picked…but if you know people…who am I to say…
maplesyrup:
Gmoney,
I agree with you… Your assesment (17) on all counts basically (I feel) is spot on. It summarizes almost all of my opinios in various threads… Don’t know if we’re right but I’m absolutly in your camp…
CaliFanInTx:
Who had heard of Mendenhall before this draft? He had a very good senior year while not doing much his previous 3. He got quite a bit of publicity before the draft. Is he a 1 year wonder? Was he going to get 20-25 carries this year in the Cowboys system? Most full load RB’s need consistent carries to get production…they’re not as productive when just inserted in situational conditions. The fact that F. Jones can be explosive without the need to into a rhythm probably made him more attractive.
I still have some reservations about Jones over Mendenhall, but after sleeping on it I feel comfortable it was the right choice.
CaliFanInTx:
Gmoney,
In post 17 - “We could have taken Jenkins at 22, then either a RB or a WR at 28 - or traded down to take a WR in the 2nd and a runner in the 2nd.”
What RB or WR was a better value than F.Jones at 28th?
We got the best players available just picked them at different spots. If it feels better…just imagine we got Jenkins at 22 and Jones at 28.
Squidlo97:
Raf told us all on here about Marcellus weeks ago. His source told him they liked him and he warned all of us it could very well happened. This should have told us they really loved this guy and had made the decision to take him in the 2nd. It seems he was coming so the team had a decision to make about which TE to let go. Fasano had the best trade value so we took what we could get. It beats cutting him outright.
Jim Vance:
GMoney is right that some of our picks aren’t exactly choir boys. Jenkins was ‘tasered’ by cops outside a bar for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. That may be what they mean when they say he’s an ‘electrifying’ prospect!!
This excerpt was from goblueraiders.com about Walden…
“As a running back, Walden averaged 6.6 yards a carry and scored eight touchdowns while registering 16 receptions for four more scores … He finished with 837 yards of total offense … Lettered in football, basketball, and track … Played football for Coach Roger Holmes.”
Maybe he is a FB prospect.
Gmoney:
Squidlo:
I didn’t say he is another Thurman Thomas, I said I think he could be.
…and just because he didn’t have the starting role earlier in his college career, doesn’t mean we wasn’t good enough. I’ve seen lots of college coaches stubbornly keep better players off the feild because of policy, attitude, seniority, poor practices, small injuries, etc. Mac Brown did it with Ricky Williams, he did it with Major Applewhite, he did it with Vince Young, he did it with Cedric Benson, etc.
There was some commentary on TV today that the staff at Illinois said that Mendenhall had a work ethic issue. Supposedly when he didn’t think he would beat out the guy ahead of him, instead of working harder and up to his potential, he relaxed.
That could be maturity. My opinion of his ability and running style, is that he COULD be a new Thurman Thomas type. Supposing his work ethic remains what it became in his senior year, I think he has the potential to have a beast of a career.
Of course there is lot’s of “if” involoved, but I think Jones has “if’s” as well, so now we’ll see how each plays out.
FanSince72:
CaliFanInTx:
The difference between Felix at 22 and Jenkins at 25 and Jenkins at 22 and Felix at 28 is a couple of picks that could have ensured getting a NT. I’m with Gmoney, I think that Jerry our manuevered some. Regardless, signing Felix is good, signing Jenkins is great.
Fighter15:
If this draft keeps donny “the communist” poser from posting for a few weeks, then I love me some GM Jerry.
First, my annual beef. Why the hell we can’t seem to pick a NT or WR is beyond me. I’m the biggest anti-WR in the 1st round person around. But that doesn’t mean that we couldn’t get great value in Caldwell in the 4th or 5th or quite a few others.
And the whole NT thing is just getting stupid. The great 3-4 D’s have that massive man-in-the-middle. Wilfork(NE), Hampton(Pit), Williams(SD), Curly Culp(Hou), etc. etc.
But the good news is we have skill players to help now and well into the future. The RB position is now set for the next 5 years, whether we sign MBIII (which we will) or not.
And our secondary is now the best in the league, even if the Thong can’t cover the Ass.
We’re just one healthy TG or FA signee away from the Super Bowl.
Gmoney:
CalifaninTX:
It’s not that I think they could have gotten somebody better than Jones, but it has to do with a thought that was exhausted on this blog over the past 3 months.
There were so many good RB’s in this draft, you didn’t have to have one at 22. You could have taken Jenkins at 22, then taken another Position at 28 or traded down for more 2nd rounders. Could have taken Kenny Phillips at Safety. Or as many wanted a WR, for instance, you could have had Hardy, Thomas, or (as it turned out) any other WR in the draft., then taken 2 of the remaining backs in rounds 2 - 5: Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, Forte, K.Smith, K.Johnson, T.Choice, Slaton, Forsett, Hart, etc.
Hopefully Jones is better than all of them, but the idea would have been to get 2 guys that are good, since we already have a starter in Marion Barber AND we could have improved another position as well.
That’s all I’m saying.
I’m not unhappy to have Jones, I hope he is a stud and helps propell Dallas to multiple championships. I just wonder, unless Jones proves to be a super star, did we fail to maximized our personnel opportunities?
CaliFanInTx:
FanSince72,
What NT was available in the 5th and 7th round (the picks we gave up to move 3 spots)? I’m actualy not arguing with your point…we could very well have have gotten some great lower round talent with those picks.
Sometimes Jerry does get too smart for his own good…but I just like that he’s always thinking. I don’t think we have the team that we currently have without those maneuvers.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
GMoney- Yeah I think Bennett is a trashtalker, but I’ve also heard he was more of prankster then anything.
If he had a bad attitude of bad work ethic, I think it probably had more to do with the fact that he wasn’t utilized very well.
He came in and the offense was turned into an option attack, I would have a bad attitude too if I was in one of the richest schools in Texas and couldn’t recruit good enough to win a bowl game.
Gmoney:
By the way,
I would have rather had TE Jermichael Finley, from UT in a later round than Martelleus Bennett.
I’ve seen Finley dominate games AND, he has the size and speed to split out and play WR. If there weren’t good enough WR’s in this draft, he was a guy that has Shannon Sharpe Hybrid potential at the TE spot. . . now he’s a Packer.
CowboyMan:
Same as last year. Let me get this straight. If we fail to draft someone’s favorite guy, then they are surely bound for the PFHOF. If we do draft them, then Jerry’s an idiot. I got it. I get tired of the Redskin fans on here.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
NO on Finley. WAAAAAY no.
I’m a UT guy, and Finley cannot block at all.
The same thing your Aggie friends say about Bennett, I’ve heard about Finley. Repeatedly. He really needed to stay in school another year.
Squidlo97:
Gmoney your right. I was anti Jones as well. Im just trying to put a positive spin and look at the could be’s more positively on the guy we took as opposed to the guy we didnt.
By the way, everybody you mention was a 3 year starter.LOL!
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
Cowboyman- You can’t satisfy everyone. There’s always people bound to be pissed off. If Felix Jones ends up being a Tiki Barber kind of back, then no one will even remember what they wrote today.
Take it all with a grain of salt.
CowboyMan:
Jerry did a very good job in this draft, especially with the DBs. We’ll know it for sure when we can finally stop 42 second drives before halftime. We’ll also see a lot of Jones running amuck out of the backfield, the slot, and split out. The versatility of the offense just got a big boost.
Squidlo97:
You know we had every opportunity to get these NT prospects and we passed. I had one on all my mocks. Evidently they werent the upgrade we all make them out to be. Wade loves a big body dude in there and he didnt take any. If the guy we pick doesnt have a real chance of making the team do we pick a name guy just to appease fans and help fluff our post draft grade or do we trade them for future picks.
CowboyMan:
THEAIRFORCEBAT: You’re right of course. I just came in from yard work to take a break. Thought I’d pull a chain or two.
Tighthead:
I’m generally okay with the draft, except for using a second on a TE. He sounds like decent value, but strikes me as a luxury. I would have liked to trade down a little there.
On defence, I would have liked a NT or ILB - the guy from Penn State.
Looking at the roster now, my biggest concern is WR. I don’t think much of Hurd and Austin, but could be wrong.
I wish we had used the Stanback pick on a RB last year. One of my biggest gripes has been the fact that we knew we only had one experienced RB coming into this year. Even high picks can need some coaching up to get ready for the NFL.
Tighthead:
I should also say I like Ratliff, but not necessarily as a NT against the run, and didn’t see much from the Tank last year.
CowboyMan:
Have the Cowobys posted the training camp dates and schedule yet? If so, where can I find it. I’m still looking to go to Oxnard.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
Tighthead: I think the thought on Bennett might have been that Dallas wanted another dynamic to their offense and didn’t think that the wr’s were good enough to pick there. I said it earlier, but if Bennett uses the god given ability that he has, and lives up to his potential, Dallas could really hurt people with two tightend sets.
Tighthead:
AFB - completely possible. If Glenn isn’t healthy we may need him, as we are a 1.75 WR offence without him.
Luke.:
Overall I’m really happy with this draft. Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins is a terrific first round. Martellus Bennett looks to have a lot of talent if we can tap into it. Jerry’s second day trading was strong and we landed two good looking players in Tashard Choice and Scandrick Orlando. I know almost nothing about Erik Walden so I can’t really comment but if the plan is to move him to FB as some have suggested I like the idea.
CaliFanInTx:
Why do so many people not like our WR’s? Hurd and Austin will be going into their 3rd year…this is the year we find out if our young receivers have what it takes…If memory serves me, they didn’t play half bad last year…not superstars but pretty good with what they were asked to do…
Our future stud WR will come from free agency not the draft.
Tighthead:
Cali - I thought they were actually half bad, and by the end of the season my faith in Crayton was shaken, not stirred. Hurd had a great touchdown in game 1, but I thought they underwhelmed in their chances. I also didn’t see any flashes of future greatness.
Getting a WR in FA sounds great, but it is cheaper to develop one.
jarhead:
I dont recall losing a game last year b/c ratliff and tank were our starting NTs.
I’d agree addressing the position in the draft would make sense, but we shouldnt be basing the success of the draft on that position.
as to WR, none went in the first round, that tells me something.
also, dont be shocked if JJ makes yet another offer for roy williams or boldin. Millen got raked across the coals for not trading his roy williams. note that the lions and cards took WRs this year in the draft.
JJ might still offer next year’s #1 and one of the 3s or 4s from next year to get a young starting WR.
Luke.:
Red Bryant, Pick 121 Round 4.
I hate to say I told you so but… I told you so! I’ve gotta do it because I was the only guy on here saying Red Bryant wouldn’t go in the Second Round and will probably be a Forth Round pick and everyone kept saying “he’s a Second, he’s a Secondâ€, or “he won’t get past Miami at the start of the Thirdâ€. He went Mid Forth and just like I said, the DT’s/NT’s drop, like they have consistently the last few years. Hell, even Dorsey dropped ![]()
Tighthead:
Jarhead - it tells me there was no first round talent at WR. Good WRs can be found beyond the first round.
For those thinking Jenkins at 22.
Okay, do it. Then:
23. Pitt — Mendenhall;
24. Tenn — F. Jones;
It was said by several sources that the Titans wanted Jones.
Then at 28, what?
You trade down with whom? Who traded up from the early 2nd into the 25-30 range? Nobody. The QB in the late 1st market was bull.
And look at the players taken in the half dozen spots immediately after Jenkins at 25 — Duane Brown, Antoine Cason, Lawrence Jackson, Kentwan Balmer, Dustin Keller, Kenny Phillips, Phillip Merling, Donny Avery, Devin Thomas, Brandon Flowers.
Would you take any of these guys ahead of Jenkins? I wouldn’t. And I wouldn’t take any of these guys ahead of Jones either. Dallas got two guys just before the 1st round dropoff. In recent years, they’ve been on the other side of that divide.
You either take Chris Johnson at 28 or you force your WR there, and neither one of them rates with Jones.
What’s more, San Diego was looking for a running back at 27. I don’t know if they had Chris Johnson rated ahead of Brandon Flowers but they may have. The only way Dallas could have assured themselves a RB at 28 would have required them to make the exact same trade they did with Seattle and taken Johnson at 25.
Then they would have come away with Jenkins and Johnson instead of Jenkins and Jones. And Jerry would be getting crucified for “getting too cute.” He got better value playing it the day he did. Donny doesn’t agree, but I don’t know anybody else who rates Chris Johnson ahead of Felix Jones. The Titans took Chris Johnson and even they had Felix Jones rated higher.
If you think Mendenhall will be a better player than Jones you have a beef. But saying Jenkins could or should have been taken at 22 and Jones at 28 is folly.
Squidlo97:
I havent given up on them but by the end of the year of significant playing time you would like to have seen them progress more. Romo might have lost confidence in them when they struggled and didnt come back to them later. i dont know but we needed an infusion of young fast talent.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
Yeah you can’t fault Jerry for not trying to get a vet WR.
I think all of the additions to Dalla’s secondary could push Dallas into finally having a great defense.
I think that DeMarcus Ware might be in for a 18-19 sack season if all works out.
sam0807:
donnie,
thanks for keeping it real. sometimes the board gets a little to rah rah.
Ya’ll take a look at what the Gmen did, take a look what the Skins did and tell me who had the better draft? I’ll take either of their drafts for ours, we got our butts kicked this weekend.
Raf/Raul,
thanks for the work this weekend. Wish I could have made it to the Tavern…next time.
I get my info from Walter Football and the blog among other sources, I am not the only basher, but this was a bad draft.
some of yall just cant get it can you why draft a WR or NT if there arent any worth drafting? someone listed off the great 3-4 teams with huge nose tackles, yeah, did you see any players in this draft that even have the potential to become half the player. we came out pretty good in this thing. so chill out
Squidlo97:
Raf, your right. The only QB traded up for was Flacco and he went at 18 every other QB dropped like a Miles Austin catch.
CaliFanInTx:
Tighthead,
Yeah, I agree on Crayton…still having a difficult time getting over the Giants playoff game…better play from him and we might have won that game…he proved to me that he will be a great #3 WR but nothing more….but, I’m still not sure about Hurd and Austin…I saw #2 WR flashes though.
Agreed that it would be great to draft one, but the pickins’ were slim this year, maybe the selection will be better next year…The optimist in me is hoping we already hit with Stanbach but we just don’t know it, yet.
Luke.:
Tighthead,
“Good WRs can be found beyond the first round.â€
What are you trying to say here?
Good players at any position can be had beyond the first round but statistically the best players from all positions come from the first round. Should we never draft a First round player ever because “good players can be had beyond the first roundâ€? I understand why we didn’t draft a WR and I’m ok with it but sooner or later we have to invest some resources in the WR position. Relying on backups/projects like Crayton, Hurd, Austin and Stanback to become #1’s (or even good #2’s) is much more riskier than taking a WR earlier. If we want Romo to throw for 4000+ yards and 35+ TD’s on route to the Superbowl we need to give him some top quality WR talent.
ironmike:
Two players we had a legitimate shot at and passed on:
Red Bryant
Owen Schmidt
Bryant could have made a big difference in the middle against the run, can’t be moved and I would love to see him get ahold of Brandon Jacobs.
Schmidt was a tailback in high school who became a banging blocker at the full back position at WVU. He was a very good blocker, good runner and good receiver. I think he could have been a good addition.
I can’t think of any reason not to take them. I just hope we got some good ammo for next years draft.
CaliFanInTx:
sam0807,
You were just kidding about your comments, right?
Luke.:
Raf,
Post 54 = Exactly!
I hope everyone reads this so we don’t have to go over and over the stupid and monotonous; “Jerry blew it because we could’ve just drafted Jenkins at 22 and still got Jones at #28 without trading up, I hate Jerry, Jerry sucks, what is he doing!!??â€
Squidlo97:
Sam, maybe we should wait till these guys play a few games before we judge who had a great draft. Your guilty of premature draft eevaluation. Its common with young guys.
Tighthead:
Luke - I am on your side. I see Jarhead’s comment that “there were no first round WRs, what does that tell you” as being poor reasoning not to take a WR. There may not be a clear first rounder, that doesn’t mean the whole draft class of WRs should be ignored.
I am on your side. Austin and Hurd leave me cold.
CaliFanInTx:
There is no way that anyone in our division had a better draft than we did…I think we got significantly better on both sides of the ball…
Luke.:
Tighthead,
Yeah, sorry mate, I just looked back at some of your other comments and realised that we’re on the same page. My mistake
Well anyway, it looks like Crayton, Hurd, Austin and Stanback are our guys so here’s hoping. And here’s hoping that a miraculous Terry Glenn comeback is the Cowboys biggest story of 08.
Luke.:
Tighthead,
I heard Jones was trying to get the other guys in the war Room behind a Second Round trade up for WR James Hardy but nobody supported the move. Although I think Bennett has good potential I think Hardy has very good potential too and I think we needed a WR more than a TE so I sort of wish they’d been able to make that move. Apart from that though, I’m very happy with the draft.
sam0807:
Im on board with the picks come camp and game day. i think we could have done a lot better. Still, I will cheer the same IF and I mean IF F Jones and Bennett are as good as you all think.
Yes I think we can win the SB this year.
Tighthead:
Luke - no sense forcing the pick, but Bennett seems like a luxury.
Tighthead,
Who’s the team’s fullback? They have one guy with FB by his name. He’s a sixth round pick and he’s coming off rotator cuff surgery, which means his blocking ability isn’t known.
The Cowboys force fed Fasano into the offense in ‘06. He wasn’t up to it, which is why the coaches converted Oliver Hoyte to FB on the fly.
There’s nothing luxurious about Martellus Bennett. He’s the starting blocking back right now. I’m guessing he’s going to be John Garrett’s house boy for the next couple of months while Garrett rushes to get him ready for an NFL season.
He’s going to be counted on a lot this year.
Luke.:
Dallas just signed rookie free agent WR Danny Amendola.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/dannyamendola.html
Tighthead:
They force fed Fasano in 06. Aren’t they doing the same with Bennett?
scout:
Luke,
I just clicked on your link and started laughing.
Now, there is one guy Austin and Stanback don’t have to worry about.
Squidlo97:
Isnt that Wes Welkers old draft card with a new picture.
Luke.:
Scout,
Yeah, he didn’t jump out at me neither but you never know. If you watched the short video on him at the bottom of the page it’s Amendola at a practice/workout and he looks quicker than Scott Wright suggests and seems a good route runner who’s quite quick out of his breaks and looks to have good hands. Obviously they’re thinking Wes Welker type and I’m sure there were people who wanted to laugh at him and he turned out alright. So again, you never know.
Cash:
Raf,
What does SD have to do with Flowers? He wasn’t in play in the first. SD took Cason.
BishopWest:
Consider our 2008 Defensive improvements over 2007 version:
2008 2007
DE J.Hatcher DE M.Spears
NT T.Johnson NT J.Hatcher
LB A.Spencer LB G.Ellis
LB Z.Thomas LB A.Ayodele
CB A.Jones CB A.Henry
CB M.Jenkins CB J.Reeves
SS A.Henry SS R.Williams
And our Offensive improvements:
2008 2007
RB F.Jones RB J.Jones
RB T.Choice RB T.Thompson
TE M.Bennett TE A.Fasano
I think we’re a better team personnel wise; it looks like we are definitely younger and faster.
Luke.:
Here’s Amendola’s scouting report from NFL.com;
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/danny-amendola?id=2649
Hey scout:
Maybe so, but I’m sure Welker wouldnt have impressed anyone with his stats and measurables out of college. This guy *looks* an awful lot like Welker on paper and with his route running. Lets see, he might just surprise some people in camp.
Fighter15:
Want a sure way to get a quality WR?
Sign one in FA.
Yes, you pay…but you get proven performance. Look at NE, Dallas, and most other #1s in the league. They were drafted by others.
Tighthead:
Want a sure way to never develop a top WR? Never draft one, and let deadwood fester unchallenged on your roster for multiple seasons.
VA Dallas Fan:
I have a problem with the Dallas media and some fans saying that Felix is just a complimentary player and that he shouldn’t have been taken first. I haven’t heard anyone make that same agrument for Pittsburgh, even though they did the same think in taking Mendenhall to compliment Fast Willie.
I love the Felix pick. He played in a more conventional running attack than Mendenhall. Plus his shimmy and cutback ability is uncanny. We really don’t know if Mendenhall can cut it in a pro style offense. He played in an option/spread offense in college. He might not fit in the mas ‘em style of Pittsburgh and he’s not going to carry the mail, w/ Fast Willie being there.
Cash,
Thanks. I meant Cason. I’ll fix it.
Cash:
Sorry Raf
I knew what you meant. That was more of a dig at Chandus and his preaching on Flowers.
CaliFanInTx:
Amendola? Hey, isn’t this the Wes Welker clone? Same school same scrappy playing style?
Chandus:
You mean the Brandon Flowers that was selected 8 picks later and was called another steal for KC?
Man, both in the AFC West, I’ll be looking at both of them, let’s see which one has the best career.
Cash:
I’d trust A.J. Smith to take over for Jerry Jones any day of the week. I would rather have Jerry than K.C.’s Peterson running my draft.
Ridgelake:
If Jenkins had been gone, from what I’ve read, we would have gone Flowers at 28. Even over Cason were he available.
BTW, the 6th rounder is a pass rush OLB. Supposedly has a great motor, real toughness (played through turf toe as a Senior), very fast/athletic, and has pass rush ability. Seems like a flyer on a potential pressure player.
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