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Tex:
Tex always knew that Drew Daniel Henson was the sharpest tool in the shed. Not to mention the prototype size and arm. What if… the Heady Henson had been cultivated properly like Romo?
BishopWest:
Using the sample page that you referenced, I scored a 37.44
Missed one and ran out of time on the last two.
9 x 4.16 = 37.44
That puts me right in between Eli Manning at 39, and Matt Leinart at 35 
that’s laughable.
I’d still take Donovan McNabb and his score of 14 over Quincy Carter’s score of 30 any day of the week.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
How did Tex always know that Henson was the sharpest tool in the shed?
Did Tex actually hang out with Henson?
Maybe it had to do with his extensively great football results.
Did he do anything besides win one half of the Big 10?
He is so intelligent and impressive that Minnesota cut him. Minnesota.. the same Minnesota that has Tavarious Jackson as their QB. He wasn’t good enough to get a spot on the team.
But he probably beat Tex at tic tac toe once and so now is super intelligent and only needed to be groomed.
HEY this is a thought. He might have had a chance to be groomed if he didn’t suck. Remember it was Romo who beat him out in camp.
AF Bat,
Tex can see Drew’s NFL Europe performances like they were yesterday. And because Tex has surely tivoed them, they will remain that way…
And when Drew is done trimming Tex’s hedges and cleaning his pool, they can watch them together…
and I watched Henson’s last Cowboys camp. He might have a mind of an accountant, but when it came to reading defenses on the fly, Henson’s mind was slooooowwwwwwww!.
Joe:
Not sure if Tex knows this but Drew Henson failed in TWO sports.
Joe:
Drew Henson failed in TWO sports.
VA Dallas Fan:
Here’s what you put up in 2006
Wonderlic Scores for Cowboys QBs Past and Present:
Drew Bledsoe — 36 (average)
Tony Romo — 30
Drew Henson — 42
Vinnie Testaverde — 18
Quincy Carter — 30
Troy Aikman — 29
but in this post you said Henson had a 32. Which did he get?
Joe:
Tex…Drew Henson failed in 2 sports.
CHARB:
Raf
Funny last night on TV was “Battle of the Brains” which questioned the IQ Test.
buster:
Hell, if I could add 7 inches to some of my body parts, I could be a …
buster,
LOL! You would be Dirk Diggler.
VA,
Typo. Even more proof Henson should be a banker and not an NFL QB.
On the Wonderlic,
Romo and Q scored the same. I wonder what Carter would have scored if he had tested baked.
ironmike:
I scored 41.6. Maybe me and Henson can hang out. Tex is not invited.
scout:
Great thoughts on the Wonderlic. Taking a broader approach should be more valid in measuring what you are trying to gage. I guess the NFL has to realize people have multiple intelligences.
scout:
I have changed my mind on Mendenhall vs Stewart.
I think Stewart is the guy I want at #22 even if Mendenhall slips to us.
Mendenhall is a one cut runner, and he would be the guy teams like Denver, Carolina, and Houston would prefer. He had some ball security issues, and some question his ability to get the edge in the NFL. Mendenhall skipped some cone drills at the combine, and he didn’t do them at his pro day, either. Also, Mendenhall is the weaker in pass protection. Stewart is considered good in that area. This fits Rafael’s profile. A profile that would favor Stewart.
Still, Mendenhall looks like a really good player. He should do well with the right team.
However, Jonathan Stewart is a top 15 player as well, and the ligament in his foot was tightened up. Teams are not concerned with the injury from what I gather. Dallas should jump on him at # 22.
The scouting reports on Stewart say he is strong, fast, quick, agile, or more shifty and elusive. Plus, he is bigger and very fast. He has been clocked in the 4.3s. Like birdness said, he ran a mid 4.4 on a bad toe, and he played through the pain.
I saw Stewart rip off an 88 yard TD on YouTube. This guy is a homerun threat and runs with power. Yet, he has the finesse in his game. He can definately get the corner with his agile speed, and he is considered a good pass blocker.
I think this (the agility) is an interesting distinction between the two backs since Mendenahll skipped some drills at the combine that could gage some of his agility or shiftiness. Stewart didn’t duck any drills.
I think Mosely is on to something with Stewart. He is probably the guy Dallas prefers between the two backs anyway.
I would be very happy with Jonathan Stewart at # 22. He could be a super star and a homerun threat for Dallas.
I would say Arizona and Chicago would be the hurdles with Stewart. Detriot, if they run a zone blocking scheme, would probably prefer Mendenhall’s one cut and go ability.
Dallas needs to keep number 22, because Stewart is a cost cutting top 15 player in the draft.
Depending on preferences, Stewart and Mendenhall both have the number
2 spot on the teams’ draft boards.
I know this is off the subject, but I changed my opinion late last night.
Jonathan Stewart is my guy at # 22. I would take him over any fourth corner or Kenny Phillips. I am going to stay with Stewart until the very end. My mind is made up.
birdness:
I still think Marino is dumb. “look at me, I lost 21 lbs”
buster:
LOL - Dirk Diggler - that was a great movie.
Gmoney:
Interesting things by Matt Mosley this afternoon on Dallas ESPN radio.
1. He’s hearing Dallas will NOT draft a WR in rd. 1
2. He says the boys are zeroing in on Stewart or Felix Jones at RB and Flowers at CB.
3. He says there are now rumblings that DRC has some previously undisclosed issues that might make him drop a bit. The intimation was that they were health/injury related.
4. Mosley says that while Dallas’ dry-erase board had Talib at number 4, 5 or 6 as far as the College DB’s go, he’s heard that some teams rate Talib a top 10 player overall in this year’s draft.
5. PacMan Jones will be on the Michael Irvin radio show in Dallas on ESPN radio tomorrow 11-2 CST. you can listen on the web. I think they are at http://WWW.ESPN1033.com.
I got out of the car at that point, so if anyone else heard anything else of consequence, please speak up.
CaptainComeback:
The fact that Aikman scored 29 makes me feel better about Romo’s score of 30.
CaptainComeback:
I hope we can do better than Flowers and Felix Jones. Man, I’ll be dissapointed.
CaptainComeback:
I hope we can do better than Flowers and Felix Jones. Man, I’ll be dissapointed.
thejoker_18:
Birdness,
Yeah regardless what Marino scored on the wonderlic or how good of a player he was he will always look like an idiot.
I mean look at him…he looks exactly like your typical coast side dumb jock.
CaptainComeback:
Marino didn’t even know you were supposed to have the laces out on a FG.
petrdragin:
I believe the Cowboys will ship a 5th to Tenn for “Lapdance” Jones.
I believe they will get lucky and grab one of their chosen DB’s at 22 then trade out of 28 and pick up additional 2nd and 3rd rounders. They will grab a WR, RB, NT/DT, and another DB with their 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, and 3rd picks. They will then select BPA/OL with their 4th. They will also select BPA/QB with their 6th, 6th, and 7th.
So>>>>
1A-DB
1B-TRADE for 2A and 3A
2A-WR
2B-RB
3A-DB
3B-NT/DT
4-OL
5-TRADE for Lap Dance Jones
6A-BPA-QB
6B-BPA
7-BPA
Gray:
New Dallas 7 Round Mock Draft - Updated 3/24
1. RB Jonathan Stewart (Oregon)
1. CB Antoine Cason (Arizona)
2. WR Donnie Avery (Houston)
3. ILB/OLB Beau Bell (UNLV)
4. OG Drew Radovich (USC)
5. CB Jack Williams (Kent State)
6. SS Jamie Silva (Boston College)
7. DT Frank Morton (Tulane)
rha:
No way Dallas grabs Cason with 28, too high for him and no way we take Avery in the second. Avery is a 4th rounder at best.
madmick:
I got a 41.6. Interesting to see Testaverde’s below average score. Maybe that’s why it’s taken him so long to finally retire: it wasn’t just his passion for the game but that he was too dumb to do anything else.
I’d be more interested in a comprehensive rundown of teams’ BlunderPric radars being set off by potential miscreants’ bad reps causing them to pass on blue chippers. Parcells was right that Pacman was a moron with scumbag tendencies, but he’s apparently going to end up here anyways. For a mere 5th-rounder: fine. Make that deal.
Of course, the most famous guy who set off Jerry’s BlunderPric radar at a time when to be fair Jerry had to be extra conservative was Randy Moss. Sure, he hasn’t always been the model teammate and pretty much checked out in Oakland but he certainly hasn’t been the arch-criminal that would’ve turned Jerry into some kind of syndicate crime boss in the eyes of the media had he employed the young man.
Gmoney:
Who was the WR that Garrett was raving about. Royal?
How come nobody thinks Dallas will grab him in the 2nd or third?
Gmoney,
I think Royal is a definite option in the 3rd.
I’m still sticking with my prediction that Dallas goes NT at 61 if they stay there. It’s value at the pick. I also think they’ll look to bail on 28 if they get a Stewart at 22. That’s a little high for a CB if the top tier is picked clean. Unless they really love Brandon Flowers and he’s there at 28, I’d try to drop a few spaces, especially if Atlanta is interested.
The trade talk is heating up for Chad Johnson or Ron Williams. It could really happen. JJ is quoted saying his #1 priority is getting another WR opposite T.O. to take the double teams off of him and Witten.
It seems crazy. Just too crazy for us to be able to get Pacman and Chad Johnson. That would leave us unstoppable. Who would be able to hang with that? Giants who? New England who? I’d be surprised if we lost a game, especially if we aquire a good RB in the draft.
Cheers to hoping!
bigmoney:
Gray,
I like this mock!!!
Just don’t think a DT will be drafted and Salvi is slow as the hands of time.
RAH,
I think Cason fit best of all the too CB to our system. He covers his area, has functional speed and makes plays on the ball. That’s all we need. He could drop because of the speed issue.
Avery will not be around in the 4th round. This guy is a blur with good hands. Averaged over 16 yards with over 90 catches. You can chance the 3th but we pick toward the bottom. Might not be there then.
Roy Williams.. sorry, I type too fast
bigmoney:
rha,
Sorry about the RAH!!!
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
torchingdefense:
“That would make us unstoppable”
Woo there cowboy, lets just win a couple of playoff games before unstoppable pops up.
: )
madmick:
I think it’s a big mistake to overlook a major point Scout made about Chad. On at least one occasion he pinpointed (and it surely happened on several other occasions) Chad made an ill-advised decision to break off a route causing a pick and like a prom queen beeotch decided to get in Carson Palmer’s face and huff and puff even though he actually caused the interception. Oh, and I hear he “allegedly” punches coaches or at least assistant coaches, too. How do you not want a guy like that on your team?
Also, just because Chad’s flirting hot and heavy with Dallas currently doesn’t mean a thing. He was also courting and linked to the Panthers and Skins. The Bengals aren’t obligated to trade him. If he doesn’t want to play in Cincy, the Brown fogies could still tell him “tough titty, you’re stuck in the Queen City. Sit out and pout if you want.” It’s not like Chad could act like any bigger of a douche in the lockerroom than he has already. I’m sure his teammates are used to it by now.
As always, my main concern is him ending up in Philly and giving Donovan a weapon again moreso than us bringing him to town.
Also, the tandem of Cris Carter and Randy Moss would disagree that having two franchise receivers gives you a magic voucher for a Lombardi trophy.
Becho:
I am pro Pacman because the move makes financial sense. We will get him much cheaper than the 10 mil average a lot of guys are getting.
I am against the Chad Johnson and Roy Williams moves though. Those two players will not come cheap. I would rather have Hamlin, Canty, Ware, and Newman extended or eventually retained. If we sign either of CJ or RW, we will have to let one of the above 4 go. I would rather have the above 4 and draft a WR with the pick that we would have to burn to get these guys.
birdness:
Great post MadMick,
Becho,
Can we get a better WR in the draft or a better replacement for one of the four above? I believe Kenny Phillips could step in for Hamlin or Calias Campbell for Canty better than WRx could step in for Roy Williams or Ocho Headache.
Although it just depends who is available at #22 and #28. Actually a trade down with the Falcoms that landed Doucet or Hardy coupled with extending our guys would be difficult to beat.
jarhead:
Well i pass the wonderlich.
next week,
are you smarter than a 5th grader?
Becho:
Birdness,
It is true that there is not as good a solution for WR in the draft, as Roy Williams and Chad. That is true, but by signing RW or Chad we are essentially giving up two players for one. We will loose the draft pick we trade this year and a FA next. In my mind both Hamlin and Canty contribute more to the team than either of those receivers.
I do not think we are in dire straits when it comes to receivers. Do we need to start drafting them early? Of course. But, the way I see it, the roster spots for receivers are already filling up. If we keep six receivers 4 of these spots are already filled. Owens, Glenn, and Crayton have contracts that cant be cut. Stanback gets one more year at least. The last two spots will have to be fought over by whoever we draft, Austin, and Hurd. So if we do get RW or Chad, how do we move forward? We have very little room to draft a receiver high because that means we would have to cut both Hurd and Austin. We could draft one late but (unless we find a diamond in the rough) this draft pick is pretty much wasted because they will have to beat out both Hurd and Austin, who are not too shabby. That is a good point too. Hurd and Austin are not too bad, in fact I consider them solid number 3 and 4 receivers. Thing is we loose them by getting Chad or RW and a draft pick.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
torchingdefense:
“That would make us unstoppableâ€
Woo there cowboy, lets just win a couple of playoff games before unstoppable pops up.
: )
IMO not really. With a record of 13-3? Are you telling me with Pacman and Chad Johnson/Boldin/Roy Williams that we would have lost that game against the Giants? Especially with a healthy Owens? Not a chance.
Scout and Madmick:
you would both rather have a 2nd round rookie at #2?
or have Crayton at #2?
That’s not going to be enough to get to the big dance. That’s JJ’s biggest desire, not to mention my own. Jerry Jones said that he is going to pursue a veteran WR, and those three are the only ones that are slightly possible.
Chad Johnson’s personal issues:
T.O. used to get in coaches faces all the time. He used to yell and scream and always put blame elsewhere when he was in SF and Philly. If CJ is able to come to Dallas, let him come and I’ll say..
I told you all so come next February.
Chad Johnson’s route running:
our #2 from the playoff game did a great job of not continuing a route that cost us the game.. remember?
Fighter actually has a good point that all these WR’s are really 2nd round WR’s. So why take one in the first? I have officially changed my point of view Which I don’t do often. This team is so close to ready to make the SB run. JJ’s going to make it happen.
Only take a WR in round #2. Take Stewart in round 1 and trade #28 to Atlanta.
or take best CB available if top 4 are there at #22, especially if the Pacman deal falls through but I think we’ll get Pacman this week.
Becho:
I can be on board for a trade for Roy Williams, not for Ocho Stinko. Stinko is too old. Roy Williams may be a good idea because he is young enough to play out whatever contract we give him. According to his stats, we do not know if he is a number 1 yet, but we do know he would be a good number 2.
There are a ton of reasons not to do the trade. Not trading is where I am leaning to at this point. First off, he has only played one full season. He has missed a few games due to injury 3 out of 4 years. He has only had one 1000 yard year. His name and draft position mean we will probably overpay. Signing him almost certainly means TO is gone in a year. (which sad to say, may be a reason to do the trade) His cap hit will make it difficult for us to retain players. What I hate about this trade is that it really is only planning for the short term and could cost us the draft pick and the resigning of Hamlin, Canty, or Owens.
There is a price that I would go for though. If we trade #28, #61, and Austin or Hurd, for RW and their #45. I would do it. This moves us up in the second round to a position to select another young receiver. It also gives us enough flexibility to select two receivers in the draft. The 28 by itself is too hard for me to swallow for RW. Especially since he has not proven he can stay healthy and has only once produced #1 type numbers.
scout:
torchindefense,
Chandus mentioned a tiered player system. I think it came from Todd McShay. Stewart and Manningham are listed in tier three. Stewart is listed # 26, and Manningham is listed as # 27. Stewart has dropped due to the toe surgery, but he is a top 20 talent.
If you could give me Roy Williams and find a way to keep # 28, that is Mario Manningham. Manningham has a very good chance to be successful the the NFL. He is polished, explosive, fast, quick, agile, and for his size (pound for pound), I think, he is the best receiver in the draft. He is ready to go. He is at least a # 2 option, and he could put up # 1 numbers with a dangerous WR like Roy Williams playing next to him and with Romo pulling the trigger.
T.O. will not play forever, Manningham and Roy Williams would eventually be your top two WRs.
Then you can find another player like Crayton in the draft.
Crayton doesn’t have Manningham’s talent. He is a nice player and is productive, but Manningham has the potential to be a star, especially if Garrett and Romo get their hands on him. Manningham can stretch the field better than any WR in this draft. He is dangerous. You must account for him. Defensive coordinators would have to pay extra attention to him. The last thing you want is Manningham on your third or fourth corner, especially when he starts to figure things out during his rookie year. Manningham’s rookie nitch would be burn them deep and in the redzone.
Then, you can go out and draft another one to play as the third guy, maybe that guy is on the roster. Nevertheless, you stock up at the bottom and have the competition.
Yes. I would give up Crayton for Manningham, and I wouldn’t think twice. I know I sound like a broken record, but I would take Manningham over Devin Thomas. Manningham is a stand up double the day you draft him, and he would make it a homerun after he torches teams in the Dallas’ offense. Manningham is dangerous in open space. He is very quick, and he runs sharp and crisp routes, and he has the moves and shake lose a cornerback and get free.
Steve Smith was a second round rookie for the Giants, and he killed us out of the slot in the playoff game. Smith isn’t as good as Manningham. I could bring Manningham along just as good as they did Smith, especially if Roy Williams and T.O. are on the same field.
I’m not the GM, but I wouldn’t give up a first round pick for Chad Johnson, Anquan Bolden, or Roy Williams. I bet Roy Williams can be had for less than a first round pick, because the team getting him will have to shell out the big contract.
I might give up my 2009 first for him, but not any one of those two picks this year. Those two picks have help written all over them for Dallas.
I can get Roy Williams next year and keep my first round picks. Winning the Super Bowl at all cost is very risky, because if you fail and only one team will win it, you missed out on a young player who can be really good in a short amount of time. You could have had that player and Roy Williams if you wanted him in 2009.
I would try to sign Kevin Jones, and trade Barber for Roy Williams, but the Lions probably will not want to shell out the money for Barber. They will want one of our firsts for sure, and I wouldn’t give it to them.
A second round pick would be more than the third round compensation they would get for losing him next year.
This is just my view, and it certainly isn’t my team for sure.
Gray:
rah - a little info on WR Donnie Avery - http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=12999
He is small but fast as hell. He would also help in the return game from day 1. No way he is on the board in round 4. I like Cason & Flowers at 28. I have seen one new mock that has Flowers on the board late in round 2.
Becho:
Scout what do you think about #28, #61, and Austin or Hurd, for RW and their #45.
I am on board with Manningham. He seems much less overrated than Kelly, Hardy, and Thomas. His quickness would be a nice complement to a possession receiver like TO or RW.
smackpat:
All the wonderlic seems to prove to me is how lax major universities are with their athlete’s academic performance. It was my understanding that the University of Texas has fairly high standards and Vince Young’s performance is pitiful. As a student at Texas Tech we’re simply a step down as far as academics are concerned, though they are making some strides, and I got a perfect score on the test fairly easily. I just don’t understand how you get through 3 years at Texas and test so poorly. It just makes me wonder how much help he had making grades. I don’t mean to pick on Vince Young as I’m a big fan and appreciate his game, guess I’m just venting on a huge problem with integrity of the system..
All in all the test really has no effect on how a player performs on the field, though a high test will certainly boost a players draft standing a small portion. Its just another small note a scout will put by a player’s bio.
Scout, great post. I like the idea of signing Kevin Jones though lets keep Barber. Jones won’t cost too much and Barber is a pro bowl running back there is no need to replace him. We then won’t need to draft a RB high and that will free CB, WR, and OT, and a DB in the first three rounds. I also expect Jerry to trade up early in the 4th as someone had posted and pick up an impact player that has fallen.
As far as receiver goes, I’m counting Terry Glenn out. I don’t think he can be more than a #4, occasional big play guy. Good for at most 4 touchdowns a year. Not bad, but we need a solid player opposite of Owens. Its a no-brainer to trade a #1 for Chad, Williams or Boldin, but I’d say Williams and Boldin are our only options and they’d cost a 1st and probably next year’s 3rd.
Are there any other receivers we haven’t heard talk about that could be potential trade bait? Is anybody unhappy that has potential? I just have a feeling Jerry will shock us all with the next great Cowboy receiver.
scout:
Manningham will not get passed the Rams in round two. After him, your risk goes up at the WR position.
Remember, if Manningham goes back to school and repeats his junior year, he is a top 15 pick in 2009, IMO.
Are you sure you want to lose Manningham for a player who can’t even crack round one this year. Yes. Earl Bennett and James Hardy have the most potential. Caldwell has potential. Jordy Nelson could be another Drew Bennett, but Manningham is a blue chip player. He has proven it on the field, and Dallas could use his talent and skill set for sure.
Bernard Berrian and Manningham are very comparable players. He has been compared to Marvin Harrison. I didn’t say he was Harrison. I’m just saying what some draft gurus have stated.
I would do this (assuming we keep our picks), and we all have different philosophies.
1. Jonathan Stewart
1. Mario Manningham
2. Red Bryant/Ahytuba Rubin
3. Tyrell Johnson
I know I didn’t address corner, but I’m hoping Pacman can play for us. Goodell is going to lose in court (arbitrator)if he tries to keep him out two years. He knows this.
I simply take the BAP at RB and keep Barber if the Lions will not do the trade for Roy Williams.
Stewart could be a super star running back. He is a top 15-20 player. I would run the card up to the desk with his name on it. If he clears Arizona, he should be ours at # 22.
This allows me to get a legit franchise running back who will need a quality back up and not another 2-4 round player at the postition. It saves the team some money to put on those defensive players and T.O. or Roy Williams or both, and it negates the need to take a finesse runningback in round two.
I would take Manningham over a defensive player, because he will probably be the best player on the board, and I really like him. He fills the # 2 WR need.
Manningham is getting a head start on receivers like Devin Thomas and James Hardy, because he is polished and ready to learn the mental side of the offense.
Again, I’m going offense. As long as Roy Williams is in our secondary, teams will exploit our defense. They will find him.
Stewart would trump Sweed and Jenkins or Cason, IMO. Jenkins will not get to us. It would take a unknown character red flag for that to happen. I don’t see it. Even if it did, I would take Stewart.
I would take Manningham over Flowers.
I’m going offense. I am drafting for Garrett and Romo, but that is just my opinion.
Gray:
A few reads -
Rankings below from Houston Chronicle:
Top 10 WRs
1. Devin Thomas - Michigan State: 1st Round
2. Malcolm Kelly - Oklahoma: 1st/2nd Round
3. James Hardy - Indiana: 1st/2nd Round
4. Limas Sweed - Texas: 1st Round
5. Andre Caldwell - Florida: 2nd Round
6. DeSean Jackson - Cal: 1st Round
7. Early Doucet - LSU: 2nd/3rd Round
8. Donnie Avery - Houston: 2nd/3rd Round
9. Eddie Royal - Virginia Tech: 3rd Round
10. Jordy Nelson - Kansas State: 3rd/4th Round
Overrated: DeSean Jackson
Underrated: Eddie Royal
Sleepers: Kenneth Moore (Wake Forest),
It’s Like This… I would hate to be a team who needs a WR and is planning on taking one in the first round. First of all, there are WR busts too numerous to count coming from the first round and I don’t really think anyone distinguishes themselves in this class. Devin Thomas has the best combination of size, speed and athleticism which makes him my top WR but he is still a risk. I know Sweed ran well but I am interested to see if he can get separation consistently on the next level. More than likely Sweed will be an “X” receiver and stretch the field vertically similar to Alvin Harper. One of the WRs who strikes me as one of the safest bets for where he is going to get picked is Andre Caldwell who has good size and great speed but will come with a more modest 2nd round price tag. I think DeSean Jackson has added value because of his return ability but I’m curious to see if he is tough enough and durable enough to be a productive starting WR.
Top 10 CBs
1. Leodis McKelvin - Troy: 1st Round
2. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - Tenn. State: 1st Round
3. Justin King - Penn State: 2nd Round
4. Mike Jenkins - USF: 1st Round
5. Brandon Flowers - V. Tech: 2nd Round
6. Aqib Talib - Kansas: 1st/2nd Round
7. Tracy Porter - Indiana: 2nd Round
8. Reggie Smith - Oklahoma: 2nd Round
9. Charles Godfrey - Iowa: 3rd Round
10. Antoine Cason - Arizona: 2nd/3rd Round
Overated:Antoine Cason
Underrated:Justin King
Sleeper:Zack Bowman (Nebraska)
It’s Like This… The CB position is fairly deep this year and the first round caliber talent is as athletic as I’ve seen in a long time. DRC and McKelvin obviously haven’t seen the type of competition that some of the other CBs have but they have the skills to play in the league. McKelvin is probably the most complete CB in the draft. Guys like Jenkins and Porter will cover better than they will come up and support the run but Jenkins is more willing than Porter. Justin King is the guy you will see fly up the draft board soon. He’s got great size and speed and he had some games where he looked like the top cover CB in the draft. He had a tendency to make too many mistakes but his upside will be very appealing. Talib has tremendous ball skills but some scouts just aren’t buying that his timed speed from this postseason will be the same speed that he plays with. Reggie Smith will help or hurt his cause when he finally runs, but up to this point he still hasn’t posted a 40 time yet since he’s not healthy.
smackpat:
Good reads Gray. Some thoughts on the players..
I love Devin Thomas’ potential, but one year of solid play scares me. I want to see consistant play from such a risky position to draft. I feel a player like Sweed, Manningham, Royal, Caldwell, and Jackson are what we need to target. Also where is Manningham on that list?? This has to be a mistake on his part as he is late first-second round talent.
Gray I know I said we shouldn’t take a RB first, but if Stewart slides he’d be an excellent choice. I just can’t see a talent like him slide that far though. There were talks about him being the #1 RB taken before DMAC’s blistering times, and I think his injury won’t drop him that far. But he would be an explosive, potential-starter we could use. Plus a late first rounder won’t hurt us badly financially, and I think Barber will comman a Turner type contract that we can manage.
smackpat:
I’ve wanted Justin King to be a Cowboy the last 2 years. I’m all for trading up in the 2nd round to land him. This guy’s got amazing athletic ability and could be our number 1 his 3rd year.
FanSince72:
Here’s my latest mock:
#22 - Stewart
#28 - Philips
#61 - Red Bryant
3rd round - Royal
4th - Traded for Pacman
5th - Best injured player with greatest upside
6th - Fastest RB available
7th - OG/C
That’s it. No need to reach or trade out. Our backfield will be really solid this year. We can pick up another CB next year with our pick at 32 and another RB with a 3rd rd pick.
BTW, given our cap status, we are going to have to let Newman and Barber walk. They are just too expensive. Stewart will easily replace Barber and Pacman will replace Newman. Unless the collective bargaining agreement changes, there is no way Dallas can afford everyone. It stinks because I love Barber.
jevans1729:
Gray
Bless you my son. That’s exactly what I’ve been saying about the WRs in this draft. Wow, Manningham didn’t make the top ten? Come in off the ledge Scout, it’s only one guy’s opinion. LOL
Fansince72
I like your picks but if Phillips is there at 22, I would be hard pressed not to take him. I can get other RBs later like Forte, Ray Rice (this kid is going to surprise people in the NFL) or Jamaal Charles. Phillips insures us against Hamlin leaving unless JJ feels Courtney Brown is ready or will be after this year. In that case, I would take Stewart at #22 and see if I could trade the #28 pick. I’m O.K with the #4 for Pacman.
donnyposner:
I wrote this prior to Rafael’s post about trading with Atlanta, but I agree wholeheartedly. Here is what I was thinking.
It is highly probable that the top 4 CB’s will be gone by 22 and if they are I think we should be considering Mendenhall or Stewart OR trading down. The only WR for that 22 spot is Devin Thomas and he’ll be gone thus we go RB where the value is or trade down to bunch picks in the 2nd.
There is a decent chance that the player we may draft at 22 will be there at 28 anyway. Stewart could be there. The WRs will be there. The 2nd tier of CBs will be there. And we’ll then have either 3 2nds or 2 2nds & 2 3rds. Either way we add 2 picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd.
Considering the players we can find in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4rth rounds I am beginning to think we should very seriously consider trading down and bunch picks in the 2nd and 3rd round. We can nab WRs in the early 2nd. We can nab good RBs in the 2nd round. We can nab some good nickel CBs in the 2nd round. The 2 FB’s will go at the earliest in the 3rd and probably the 4rth.
First Rounders
Devin Thomas
2nd Rounders
These guys could sneak into the first round but are most likely 2nd rounders.
Limas Sweed
Mario Mannigham
DeSean Jackson
Early Doucet
Malcolm Kelly
James Hardy
William Franklin
Andre Caldwell
Earl Bennet
Donnie Avery
A couple of the above could slip into the third round and the next group will be 3rd and lower
Jordy Nelson
Lavelle Hawkins
Eddie Royal
Jerome Simpson
Adarius Bowman
Harry Douglas
Keenan Burton
Dexter Jackson
Marcus Smith
DJ Hall
Paul Hubbard
burmafrd:
The way some people are slobbering all over Manningham they seemed to want to ignore all the games he disapeared in and all the drops he had.
scout:
Becho,
I wouldn’t let the Lions have # 28. I simply wouldn’t do it. That should be Manningham for sure (if Seattle doesn’t take him) and possibly Flowers if Dallas picks a defensive player.
I would offer them Barber straight up, and I would throw in Crayton in order to get them to bite. I’d take a gamble (Rafael mentioned)on the RB (experience)blocking, but I get a WR who needs to get out of Detroit. I get Stewart, Manningham, and Williams. That is some serious speed. That doesn’t even count T.O. and Witten. T.O. is getting older, and Manningham/Williams will give him plays off if I want to rest him some, and Manningham is a future starter opposite of Williams.
I would replace Crayton with the best deep threat in the draft.
(Manningham)
I get a cost effective franchise back who saves me a premium pick on a complement player this year. Plus, Stewart is a homerun threat. That is the element Barber doesn’t have. Stewart can break one off 80 yards. I could draft Ben Jarvus Green-Ellis in round 6 and look to add a cheap vet.
Roy Williams has had some injury problems, but he was a top ten pick, and he hung 200+ yards on the Eagles during their game last year.
I would consider a 2009 first, because I want my second used on a NT this year, and their are two players in that round for me.
I would offer no higher than a second round pick to Detriot in this year’s draft. The Eagles and Redskins will not offer up a first for him. They will not do it. No one will. Jerry needs to wait Millen out. Millen will not get a first rounder for Roy Williams.
I don’t know. I know I would not sacrifice Newman or Ware or Canty or Hamlin in order to pay Roy Williams.
I would draft Manningham and tell Crayton to make plays while Manningham learns the ropes. If Crayton makes two more plays, Dallas probably beats the Giants. If he makes one of the two, Dallas probably wins.
I wouldn’t pay Roy Williams $28 million in guarantees. He is going to have to come down on his asking price. Getting out of Detriot and into Dallas would give Jerry Jones leverage. You know, that could be a Super Bowl opportunity for Roy Williams. Plus, he gets to be in Texas. I would think, you have some leverage on some type of home state discount.
Maybe Matt Millen remembers Barber torching him last year. If he wants a Barber clone, he could have the real thing if he lets Roy go to Dallas.
scout:
Madmick,
Those are some good comments about Chad Johnson. I hear Carson Palmer will have a final say on any trade. If Palmer wants him gone, he will go. I would not want Chad Johnson on on the Cowboys.
If Jerry goes this route, I hope he just gets Roy Williams out of Detroit. Keeping T.O. happy is enough to manage. Romo doesn’t need Chad Johnson chirping in his right ear after every play. Plus, Roy Williams is younger, and he hung 200+ on the Eagles last year.
Luke.:
Gray,
You said about the WR position;
“I would hate to be a team who needs a WR and is planning on taking one in the first round. I don’t really think anyone distinguishes themselves in this class. Devin Thomas has the best combination of size, speed and athleticism which makes him my top WR but he is still a risk.â€
Smackpat,
You said;
“I love Devin Thomas’ potential, but one year of solid play scares me.â€
Ok That’s one way to look at it. Here’s another; if there was a WR who had distinguished himself up to the standards you’re describing it wouldn’t do Dallas a lick of good because he’d be long gone before pick 22. Calvin Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams all these guys go in the Top 10. What good is having one of these guys in this class? How does it make it better for us? We wouldn’t have a hope in hell of drafting one.
If Devin Thomas had gone back his senior year and proven his consistency and had a big senior year do you think we would have got a chance to draft him in the late 20’s next year? No way, he’d be gone by the 10th pick. The reason we have a chance to grab a great young prospect like Thomas and his terrific potential is because of the question. We should be thankful these guys have questions or we won’t see any of them on the board at #22.
donnyposner:
I’m still big on my guys before the combine.
Jonathan Stewart
Chris Johnson
James Hardy
Tracy Porter
All of those guys are possibilities.
The other RB’s I like are Matte Forte & Ray Rice.
smackpat:
Good point Luke. Thats what is so hard about drafting a receiver in the first round though. I guess I would just prefer a player like Sweed who may have had injury concerns, but has had a solid career playing at UT with some shaky at times QB play. Devin Thomas had a consistant QB throwing to him his whole career and I’m just curious what changed this year to cause him to explode. Look I’m a big fan of his, he’s a top 3 receiver this year, I just question his bust potential. Great point though.
Maybe I’m holding out for a shot at Michael Crabtree next year!
scout:
Dallas sent two camera men to film Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Chris Willimas this past week. DRC has one kidney. I wonder if that has some teams concerned. I thought that wasn’t an issue. I thought this was interesting.
Also, think about this. The thing that stuck out to me on that DB board is getting clearer. It is the fact that Kenny Phillips is rated so high. He would be a player we would have an interest in, but so would the Eagles.
Think about it. Dallas is waiting on Stewart to drop in their lap, and the Eagles are on the clock. Williams, Otah, McKelvin, DRC, Talib, and Jenkins are all gone. They will not draft a WR in round one.
Who do you think they will want?
Kenny Phillips
AND
They will want to trade down to get him. Guess who would want to jump us for Stewart?
Seattle
# 25 should nab Phillips if the Texans don’t take him.
Perhaps, there are some games being played, perhaps not.
I bet the Eagles saw that board.
Phillips could play in the box at SS. He could play SS or FS.
The Eagles will not be able to trade back and get Phillips, because Dallas would take him if Stewart was taken from them by another team after the Eagles moved down.
(Seattle)
smackpat:
donny,
I think all of those players have what it takes to be impact players in the league.
Ray Rice and Forte could be solid picks in the 3rd.
smackpat:
scout, what makes you believe the hawks are interested in Stewart? They just paid some good money for two backs, would they be able to give the ball to that many backs? and wouldn’t that be a good amount of the cap for one position. though he is a break out player and I can easily see them cutting Ducket.
Ridgelake:
I agree with Smackpat. I dont think Seattle is in the RB market anymore after signing Julius and Duckett. They still have Alexander and Morris on their roster as well. I just don’t see how a 1st round back fits there.
I could see them going after Albert assuming Pittsburgh doesnt nab him. But thats a discussion for another day.
THEAIRFORCEBAT:
Yeah that would be a heavy investment in runningbacks if Seattle drafted one in the first.
Oiler Troll:
I think that the first problem with the Wonderlic test iss that its name is “Wonderlic” - you can’t possibly take that seriously.
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