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Tim Wilson:

Boldin is a YAC monster (the guy is nearly untackleable), but he is VERY similar to TO, except I believe TO is a fair amount faster. I liked Fitzgerald a bit better for our team due to his deep ball leaping ability and incomparable hands.

A good point of comparison for Boldin in terms of his fire and running style might actually be: He’s what you’d get if you made Marion Barber a wide receiver.

Surrounded by Skins:

JERRY GO GET HIM……THAT IS AN ORDER.

AustonianAggie7:

Man Arizona is bad at this “making a team” thing such that they continually put themselves in a position of unloading their best players.

cwby4lf:

I would have given both #1’s this year for Fitzgerald straight up, for Boldin I would give pick #28 and the 1st 6th round pick we acquired from Miami for Ferg.

Sam:

OK, let’s stop this one dead in its tracks. This is not going to happen. Arizona is not going to let Bolden go anywhere. Sure, it’s fun to talk about this stuff because we are all football starved maniacs right now, but this is about as likely as the last rumour of Fitzgerald coming to Dallas.

Turbo:

hmm, Boldin’s agent is Rosenhaus…same as TO’s. I wonder what kind of impact that’ll have on the situation.

Tim Wilson:

I’d agree with Sam– while I don’t think it’s impossible, we’re probably looking at about a 5% chance of this thing happening.

But this is a boring time of year as we await the draft. Got to latch on to what rumors you can.

rha:

Rosenhaus is all over Bolden on this one, no agent of his stature wants his client (with presumably as much talent) to play for that much less, especially for 3 more years and on the same team.

Not gunna happen, T.O. anyone?

Say what you want, but Rosenhaus has a lot to lose in reputation (and future business) if his clients are not getting the best deals, and we must admit, Bolden is getting shafted if the numbers of the two players are being reported accurately.

Cash:

DMN has linked to this website and given Ref credit for the idea.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/

birdness:

“‘Cause I’ve got a fever, and the only cure is some free agent/trade cowbell.”

That’s one of my favorite quotes however can Jerry pull this off when Philly needs a go to WR. Schefter said the Bills were looking at Bryant Johnson with at least two other teams interested. Boldin would trump any of those deals.

mowgli:

Where is the cap room coming from? What would we have to give up to get him? Also, drafting a WR on the first day would still be prudent.

The best case scenario might be that he actually remains with the Cards.

Fighter15:

FINALLY! The DMN guys did the right thing and gave some attribution…BRAVO!

Now if they could just come up with some original content.

Keys80:

So let’s see if I can get this straight…we need to enter cap hell because we need this guy so badly? I think we’re set for 08 (unless TG has a setback) at WR. This year’s crop of WRs look pretty deep and a gem should still be available at #61. Oh, and let’s not forget that Dallas thought enough of Stanback to keep him around last season on the 53 man roster.

Sean:

Keys-Didn’t TG have the knee surgery? I think that puts him out for the year.

MORE COWBELL!!!

Squidlo97:

If TG were expected to be gone another year I think an injury settlement would be forth coming. Last year there was a little more optimism tied in with some desperation. last year it happened in TC where there is really nothing you can do anyway.

jquincy:

i’m gonna say the same thing i said about the fitz rumors: this will never happen. mark it down, never, ever, never. did anyone see where vic carruci has the cowboys taking justin king with #22? what’s wrong with these people? everyone on PLANET EARTH has him going in the 2nd round at the ABSOLUTE EARLIEST. most have him going somewhere in the 3rd, if not early 4th. it’s like someone mentions a guys name, and some metrics, and suddenly he’s pick du jor (or however you spell it). his stock will rise meteroically for no other reason than media boredom. this is such a goofy time of year…

Squidlo97:

Rha, Rosenhaus does whatever his client wants not the other way around. Most clients dont throw temper tantrems over their contracts like TO. Rosnehaus did what any good agent does and in the end took as many of the bullets as he could for his client. Your not a bad agent because 3 years later the markey changed. Your contract is based on the year you signed it. I wouldnt even use Fitz’s deal as a templat because Arizona had to fix a screwup on their in the previous contract.

jquincy:

re: post 16

‘meteorically’, i mean. or maybe ‘meteoricly’ i don’t know. also there was supposed to be a new paragraph after sentence two. damn.

jquincy:

tim wilson,

“A good point of comparison for Boldin in terms of his fire and running style might actually be: He’s what you’d get if you made Marion Barber a wide receiver.”

WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! but i still say it ain’t happenin’. no how, no way.

Keys80:

Sean

I am not aware of the fact that Terry Glenn had Mircofracture surgery. Did he? Last word I heard was he would be full throttle this spring.

Becho:

so any news on long term contracts for hamlin, canty and barber? I would like to see these guys resigned. It might free up a little cap space as well.

Becho:

where is everyone getting word that glenn should recover. I have herd this several times but have not seen anything official.

Sean:

Keys- I was looking for confirmation one way or the other on his knee surgery? anyone?

Fighter15:

No. TG has not had the microfracture surgery.

GM Jerry started the talk in a couple of interviews saying the word he’s gotten from a third source (un-named) that TG is doing well and that he plans on playing this year.

Yes. He does have a degenerative knee. It will hurt, it will swell. Every week. But he could still play. At what level is the question.

Here’s the real gig. A trade for a legit #1 or 2 receiver would mean the end of Glenn. Pure economics. The cap would be hit slightly, but the room would be easy to make and the slot would be even in the out-years.

It COULD happen that we keep both, but just not very likely. However, I can’t think of many (if any at all) that I would trade for prior to the draft.

Now AFTER the draft? mmmmm

Sean:

Thanks for clearing that. I guess I have aleady written him off in my mind.

Sean:

Maybe BP can find a spot for him with the Phins.

Becho:

i a still pessemistic about glenn, this time last year the prognosis was better and he barely played in 07. i doubt he will contribute in 08 or ever again. i hope i am wroung.

in another topic. what do you guys think about a 4 year 24 million dollar extension for barber. too much? he deserves the money, I would be happy if the cowboys got him for this price tag. it might not make too much cap sense but i would do it anyway. it makes people sense to give him a fair conract.

Keys80:

I’m rooting for TG in any case. I believe he is one of the classiest players on the team not to mention talented.

pecos_slim:

Raf is clearly ghost writing for Christopher Walken!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4royOLtvmQ

larry:

1) Trades don’t happen in the NFL-why bother?
If we could get him for a #1 and players, sure. like Fitzgerald, but how often does that happen?

2) One of the few (only?) classic skits on SNL in the last 15 years or so! Just off the wall enough, some guys starting to crack up but holding it in, and Mr. Walken.
One of the first things I looked up on YouTube when I got the internet!

But, every time I hear “Reaper” on a classic rock station, I start cracking up-never fails.

Tried watching SNL last week, first time in years-man did it suck

sierrareef:

I just heard that TO is being shopped around. After 2 great seasons and no team obliterating it’s rumored Dallas could get good draft picks and save having to worry about signing him to a costly contract at the end of next season - a concern based on his age and questions about how long he can remain an elite receiver. Seems like his value is now.

thejoker_18:

Sierra,

Uh, don’t think that’s happening buddy!

Squidlo97:

Where do people come up with this dribble? We are a contending team and he is our number 1 WR with no replacement anywhere to be found and we are going to trade to get something while we can, which of course all but throws away the upcoming season. Yeah, let piss away next season for a possible 2nd or 3rd rounder. Lets trade away all of our talent and rebuild again. Not knocking on you but that is more stupid than 2Zs last post.

Tim Wilson:

Pecos, I think that’s what Raf was referencing.

One of the all-time great skits. “Fellas, fellas, I put my pants on one leg at a time just like you. But after my pants are on– I make gold records!!”

sierrareef:

I was just BS’ing. I think the rumors are laughable so I threw one out, but you guys are too shrewd!

mowgli:

Becho,

Regarding MBIII’s contract, he will likely want much more. M. Turner’s deal made sure of that. I don’t think everyone in the Cowboys’ FO is as sold on Barber as it looks. In retrospect, it is odd that he was not offered the starter’s job earlier during the season, and he was not offered an extension during the season either.

Essentially, if Medenhall or Stewart falls to us at 22 and is drafted, we might have just picked our RB of the future. Then, MBIII becomes more expendable next offseason — woudldn’t you say?

thejoker_18:

Sierra,

Haha I gotcha. But yeah man, the football depression is hitting me dead on too LOL.

I swear I almost watched an AFL highlight on ESPN the other day…that’s how bad it’s getting.

torchinDefense:

Boldin will stay where he is.
No question.

T.O. is getting traded for Charlie Brown… and Snoopy.

NOW that Nate Jones and KD are gone we have gaping holes in the secondary.

Our special teams sucked last year..

this year might be worse with KD gone…

larry:

Which is worse, NHL or AFL?
No scoring or so much it’s ridiculous??

THEAIRFORCEBAT:

ALERT: Possible DRAFT news.

“NFL Network’s Mike Mayock reports that Oregon RB Jonathan Stewart may need surgery on his big toe. The procedure would keep him out four to six months.”

Ouch. That sucks because he seems like a good kid. Thats gotta do a hell of a lot of damage to his stock.

torchinDefense:

doesn’t anyone watch the NBA?

come on.. there some good S#$% going on right now.. the Rockets are on a 20 game streak.. the Lakers are on a tear.. the Celtics are damn good and look out for Lebron James. Motor City’s engine is on fire too!

thejoker_18:

NHL is probably worse. Either way they both suck pretty bad.

I’ll probably start catching up on some basketball when the Finals start. The Spurs and Rockets are kinda fun to watch right now.

BishopWest:

On Sirius Blitz today Adam Shein and Solomon Wilcots said that New England would like to trade down from pick #7.

I also read a piece yesterday that said Atlanta would like to trade down from pick #3.

I betcha JJ moves up to get McFadden even though I wished he’d stay put and get a CB and WR with #22 and #28.

BishopWest:

K.C. Joyner on Anthony Henry:

Anthony Henry, CB, Dallas: Terence Newman is a dominant player whose presence would overshadow just about any cornerback in the league. Henry is something of a forgotten man because of this, but his 2007 metrics were quite similar to Newman’s. Newman did beat Henry in YPA (6.8 to 6.1), but Henry’s success percentage was much higher (46.4 versus 37.9). If Henry can keep up with Newman again in 2008, these two would be able to make a strong argument for possibly being the best NFC cornerback tandem.

Guys, we’ve got two very good starting CBs. All we need out of the draft is a nickleback to replace Reeves, and really, that shouldn’t be too difficult.

Becho:

Mowgli

You are right in a lot of ways. Even if the 1st rd running back is bust, then we can still franchise MB III.

I would like to see MB III stick around though. Turner’s contract was six years at 34 mil. That is a little less per year than my 4 year 24 mil proposition. it is not unreasonable that he could agree to that. especially with the RFA tag this year and the franchise tag looming next year.

I don’t know if I believe in stewrt. The few ducks games I saw he did not do much flashy but he did produce. When people say he does not have a burst they are right. he does play in the 4.4 range so he can get going it just takes him a while. Mendenhall would be great. I perfer him to stewrt. Has a burst, caught a lot of passes, less injury history. Please no Mcfadden

Becho:

i think stewrt will now be there at 28…and 62 mabey

Becho:

if that toe thing is legit

madmick:

I do watch the NBA, but unfortunately I’m also a Mavs fan, and that Nowitzki is one wacky character; you just never know when he’s going to go el foldo and refuse to shoot anything inside of 18 feet.
AFL sucks because the whole concept pretty much phases out the running game. Indoor war my ass.

I guess with the way the Seahawks overspent for a tap dancer like Julius Jones, the market for running backs certainly bares out that Barber should actually be paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 yrs, 24 mil. However you stay ahead of the game by being prudent and not overpaying for a guy (no matter what the market dictates) who is much closer to merely being a sentimental favorite than a franchise running back. With the right hosses up front blocking, running back is as interchangeable as a position can get. Outside of Adrian Peterson and LDT, how many runners would you even give up a 1st-rounder for with no hesitation at all? On the other hand, any time the latest disgruntled receiver’s name comes up in trade rumors, there a plenty here willing to trade a 1st for that guy at the drop of a hat.

rha:

Squid,

I think it is naive to suggest a good agent (Rosenhaus) sits around waiting for his clients to call when they get unhappy. Sure he took the bullet for TO, but don’t think he didn’t encourage or even suggest that TO should get a better deal.

Again, Rosenhaus is all over Bolden about this deal, if he weren’t, he wouldn’t be doing his job. Besides, he is one of the more aggressive if not the most aggressive agent out there.

I am surprised by your post to say the least.

rha:

Bishop,

Unfortunately Henry has an injury problem.

In my opinion we need a full time nickle corner, and that could substitue for either Newman or Henry without requiring we play soft zones when they are out.

Also, we need more QB pressure, so to me, a pressure player and a CB in the first round is the right way to go.

rha:

“and one that could”

sorry.

Squidlo97:

Rha, I just dont know. Im sure he has contacted the Cards and discussed a raise and how it looks and how unhappy his client is to make this much less than his equal but if the Cards say no, and they are dumb enough to say that, then what do you do. I believe TO was doing that before he hired Rosenhaus and i also believe acting like a dumbass cuts into your marketability costing you money. Im not so sure that acting like an ass was Drews idea. You hold out, you dont hold press conferences in your drive way working out and you dont bring teamates into the fray by ripping into them. I think Drew is smarter than that. I also think making your client angry when he is not is a bad business practice. Drew dispite the way he is portrayed is not stupid.

AzCowboy:

Many players are paid less than another player on the team even though their play is considered “better”…and do not create noise…Henry and Newman for example. It does not force the team to pay them more to get them to play. It’s called playing to your contract. And then there is Ellis who was rewarded for whining.

jquincy:

mowgli:
“Essentially, if Medenhall or Stewart falls to us at 22 and is drafted, we might have just picked our RB of the future. Then, MBIII becomes more expendable next offseason — woudldn’t you say?”

no, i wouldn’t. because i doubt either of those guys come in and set the world on fire right away, even if they will eventually. taking that into consideration, i think that this time next year there will be questions about them (stewart or mendenhall) long term just like some people are questioning rolling with MB3 as a feature back now. the days of the single feature back are long gone unless you’re the chargers or maybe the vikings (big maybe). besides, in todays speciallized, roll playing NFL, you can’t have too much of a good thing.

Squidlo97:

Jquincy, I agree with the role playing being the way most teams go but I think that has to do more with how hard it is to get true franchise backs and then not wanting to ride them in the dirt. If we were to end up with one of those backs and they prove to be as productive as MBIII by the end of the season then I could see us letting MBIII go. We are a top team and that means it gets harder and harder to keep in good cap shape. Keeping rookies and letting veterans go helps with that. Just like this year, next year we will be looking for a back in the 3rd round or so. I guess we will see, alot of things need to happen. If Stewart had toe surgery we probably wont find out.

Gray:

New 7 round Mock - updated 3/13 - not sure what I think of this one.

1. WR James Hardy 6’6 220 4.6 Indiana
1. CB Tracey Porter 5’11 184 4.4 Indiana
2. OLB Beau Bell 6’2 243 4.6 UNLV
3. CB Chevis Jackson 5’11 188 4.5 LSU
4. DT Ahtyba Rubin 6’4 325 5.4 Iowa St.
5. OG Will Arnold 6’5 325 5.4 LSU
6. RB Thomas Brown 5’8 190 4.4 Georgia
7. S Chris Horton 6’1 205 4.5 UCLA

Toast:

Barber reminds me of Earl Campbell (with slower speed)… A ferocious runner.. Unfortunately players like him have a short shelf life. But he be effective for good 3 years..
The question really comes down to.. Do you draft a 1st round RB to be your backup? Normally the 1st rounders are destined to be starters (except for Carpenter of course).
The need is CB and WR and last a RB.

birdness:

“vic carruci has the cowboys taking justin king with #22? what’s wrong with these people?”

Carruci is an diot, Jerry’s taking Felix Jones at #22 and our deep threat Mannngham at #28.

birdness:

“He does have a degenerative knee. It will hurt, it will swell. Every week. But he could still play”

I’m 43 overweight and have been playing soccer since I was a kid. For the last decade I’ve had knee problems - they hurt, they swell, I walk around like an old man.

When I warm up, I feel great, I still chase 25 year olds all over the 10 ft around me. I’m ready to go again in 48 to 72 hours later.

So if Terry Glenn has degenerative knees, he probably can go on Sundays, he may have problems with getting up for practice.

I would draft somebody to replace him, the young guy won’t have bad knee days.

birdness:

“Raf is clearly ghost writing for Christopher Walken!”

Perhaps some champaigne?

birdness:

“But, every time I hear “Reaper” on a classic rock station, I start cracking up-never fails.”

Have you ever seen Scott Wright’s messages on NFLDraftCountDown? First time I saw his video icon, I almost fell out of my chair.

sgtcwby:

If we pick Felix Jones at #22, I will be pissed. If we stay at #22, we better be picking the best CB, unless we pick up PACMAN, then I would trade down with our #28 pick and pick up Tracy Porter with the gained pick in the 2nd. But Felix Jones with the #22 better not happen. No way he is that good, plus that is not our NEED! WE NEED A GOOD CB! WR next and THEN RB to help MBIII in the backfield.

birdness:

“Guys, we’ve got two very good starting CBs. All we need out of the draft is a nickleback to replace Reeves”

At this instant yes, but a nickle that could push our older CBs would be great for 09 and beyond.

birdness:

Stewart would be a steal at #28. Six months for a toe is craze. I’ve had broken bones pinned and tendons sewn back together - it takes about two months to start running - cut his toe off he’ll be fine.

Brooklyn Rancher:

Gray,

I have seen worse mocks. Hardy, Porter, Jackson and Rubin are solid picks, in my opinion. I am not sure about the OLB so early, and waiting for a RB until Round 6 seems very iffy to me.

sgtcwby:

Mock Draft:

Acquire PACMAN

1a. WR James Hardy
1b. Trade with Atlanta and pick up up picks #37 & 48.
2a. Tracy Porter
2b. Red Bryant
2c. Oniel Cousins
BPA The rest of the draft.

mowgli:

jquincy,

Squid did a great job making my point. With MBIII as our feature back rather than Medenhall, for example, the calibre of our backup has to be much higher. Unfortunately, we cannot afford to pay two semi-starters. Lots of ifs and buts in there, however, that’s how I see it.

I don’t know why everyone is so hung up on a two-back system in the NFL. Yes, it’s great when you have two capable runners that have inexpensive contracts, but if you have one player that can carry the load, then why not? Play him often, and spell him occasionally. No point fitting a square peg in a round hole. How long do you think Chester Taylor will last with the Vikes?

The NFL goes through phases, and just because two RBs is the flavor du jour does not mean this will forever continue.

mowgli:

*pay two semi-starters two starter salaries.

Jim Vance:

Raf, Have you or anyone on here kept records of the mock drafts over the last 5 years of Kiper, Mayock etc…and compared their mock drafts to the actual picks made by the teams? It would be interesting to see if any of the mock experts have done better than a coin flip over time.

As far as the 2 back system, I believe it is here to stay. Back in the days when the teams played a 10 game season and the level of team athleticism was not as good as it is today, you could use a running back and get 8-10 years out of him.

Now, some of these guys play 20 games or more a year, some on artificial turf, and the pounding takes a cumulative toll on a single RBs legs, decreasing his effective life span.

A 2 back system extends a players productivity, it does add some new wrinkles for defensive coordinators to plan for, and the difference in styles (slasher vs pounder vs speed merchant etc)can keep a defense from finding a rhythm, not to mention the advantage of fresher legs for the runner in the 4th quarter vs the LBs and DBs.

I think the system is here to stay.

jquincy:

mowgli, squid and toast,

i’m not sure this is just a phase for the NFL. more injuries than ever these days. yards are yards, i don’t care how you get ‘em. two backs, or three, or one makes no difference.

as to squid’s point, there’s a whole lot of “ifs”, “hopes”, and “dreams” there. IF we get a great back. IF he’s so awesome he makes us all forget about MB3’s 5 YPC and ability to be TD machine. IF he’s the next adrian peterson. IF jason garrett bumps his head real hard and decides to give the bulk of the carries to a rookie. IF, IF, IF. i guess anything’s possible when you line up 1000 ifs. the most likely scenario here is a season ending injury to barber early on. how many “elite” RBs have been on open market the last couple of years? i wonder why that is? it’s because it’s VERY RARE that anyone parts with proven productivity.

“Barber reminds me of Earl Campbell (with slower speed)… A ferocious runner.. Unfortunately players like him have a short shelf life. But he be effective for good 3 years..”

this errant statement by toast actually helps illustrate my point. there’s a HUGE difference between earl campbell and marion barber. it’s the amount of carries they have over the course of their respective careers. teams did just what squid was talking about. they got a feature back and ran him into the ground. you can double the “life span” of a RB by platooning. every owner and GM knows this.

jquincy:

jim vance,

dead on.

jquincy:

sgtcwby & gray,

this will never end, will it? 4th CB and/or 4th OT over 2nd RB? this makes me so tired. this will never happen. give up the dream. it’s amazing how many of you are clinging to this. it’s just plain silly. why is there no love for RBs on this blog? why do so many of you have such woodies for CBs? why is that so many are so obsessed with thinking outside the box, that you end up overlooking the most obvious things?

Squidlo97:

The 2 back system has been around since the beginning but alot of times in todays game he is used more than long ago. Its a good point about the seasons being much longer in todays game. However, if the RB we pick up this year becomes as effective as MBIII, dont be surprized if we let MBIII go next year and look for another back. Its cap economics. Why would you pay 4-5 millions for the same production that you can get for 1/2 million.

Look, I love MBIII but if the next guys looks to produce close to the same, then adios.

Joon Oh the Intern:

kevin jones released from detroit. what about him and MBIII? is that a hell yeah? or a hell no?

jquincy:

that’s just it, squid. MB3 has earned his chance to “start” (i.e. get 55%-65% of the carries). i SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone’s going to come in, in his rookie year, and out perform the field by that much. he will not answer any questions that definitively, that early, unless barber gets knocked out of the season in the first few games. what kind of monster are we talking about that would blow everyone away with 40% of the carries? whatever it is, i can’t freakin’ wait to see it. MB3 is all of 24 years old. you guys are acting like we’re talking about some grizzled veteran who’s best days are gone.

jquincy:

kevin jones might not be that bad, if he can stay healthy.

jquincy:

to answer your question, joon oh, i would probably say neither.

stoproyce:

and plays for vet minimum.. all the paying slots are gonna be full or will be addressed in the draft. if he plays for a song and a chance to revive a completely blown career maybe if not just say no to Kevin “Glass” Jones. dude is fragile!

Joon Oh the Intern:

true but things could be different when he’s running behind a solid o-line.

jquincy:

sgtcwby,

this is what walterfootball has to say about oniel cousins (a guy you have us taking in the 2nd rd.):

“Oniel Cousins, UTEP
Height: 6-4. Weight: 308.
Projected 40 Time: 4.96.
Combine 40 Time: 5.11.
Arm: 34 7/8. Benchx225: 23.
Projected Round: 3-4.
After being benched in 2006, Oniel Cousins bounced back with a terrific 2007 campaign, establishing himself as a third- or fourth-round prospect capable of playing in a zone-blocking scheme.”

this pick comes one year after we draft OTs in rds 3 and 4. you think this is more important than a #2 RB?

jquincy:

sgtcwby,

p.s. the cowboys don’t run a zone blocking scheme. and we also just re-upped flo for the rest of his career.

Chandus:

jquincy:
I’ll answer your question, why are we overlooking the most obvious need?

I think that you’re the one doing the overlooking.

Our team has one of the best CB duos in the League. Yeah, when Henry’s healthy, which is like 8-10 games per season and last season both CBs weren’t. What does that means?

That your 3rd CB, that already has to play a lot with all the spread Offenses, has to play a lot more. And right now, who’s the team 3rd CB? A 7th Round pick sophomore? Good luck.

What does that mean for the 4th CB? That he has to play in the Nickel.

What happens if Henry, or Newman (knock on wood), are healthy for the whole season until the last few games and are forced to miss Postseason? Being forced to revisit how Eli “freaking” Manning burned our 3rd CB in the last 40 seconds of the 1st Half would be a nightmare.

And I think that that’s exactly what you want in your dream of getting a 2nd RB before some 4th CB that most likely won’t play much. Dream that based on history would be easy to see getting shattered.

Boy from Oz:

Jim re:69 -

I am pretty sure that before each draft, Football Outsiders analyse the draft from 3 or 5 years ago.

They look at what the “experts” said and re-rate what the teams actually did.

Jim Vance:

Boy from Oz,

Gracias, do you have a recall on which of the mocksperts had the better track record?

birdness:

sgtcwby,

Every other mock I look at (away from this site) has Jerry reaching for somebody from Arkansas. Felix Jones is a nice player, just not in the first round.

The Boys need a #2 WR, a #3 CB and a #2 RB. I can’t tell you who Jerry will draft but I believe that if a guy with outrageous potential is available Jerry will draft him - even a WR at #22. I think it’s unlikely that Jerry would draft his CB on the second day.

DRC has the most potential at CB. McKelvin and Jenkins are right behind him. Talib, Cason Smith and Flowers could all be dominant, but they lack that extra gear recovery speed. Porter and King have that speed, Porter looks ready to go, King is still raw. Jerry could take any of these guys in the first round, I hope it’s one of the first three.

Squidlo97:

Jquincy, Im not talking about this year a rookie starting. Im talking that if by the end of this up coming year if a rookie has shown he “gets it” and looks like he can be as productive as MBIII,( this will probably come down to his performance in the last 4 games) I feel he will not be with the team the following year(2009). You seem to be so cock sure he will be with us long term. If thats the case then why in the the hell we waiting on the draft to sign him to anything. Why hasnt he been given a long term contract already. You dont know squat about JJs plans. I base my guess on no long term contract signed yet and the fact that Tnew and Ware have deals due next year to go along with the NFLs feeling that you can find productive runners anywhere in the draft. Thats alot of FA contracts meaning lots of cap space needed. What do you have to back up your opinion. Your superiority over the rest of us.

birdness:

Free agency is so expensive, the only way to build is through the draft. Best way to draft is to trade with crappy teams for future picks. Jerry hasn’t landed a top 10 yet, but the Pats just did.

Keep doing Bills/Browns trade.

jquincy:

chandus,

alright, fine. let’s use your example. gray didn’t have us taking a RB in his mock until the 6th rd. he didn’t mention ANY other moves to address the RB position. i reference him because i was addressing him and sgtcwby. what if MB3 gets hurt? how good do you feel about some spare 6th rd dude coming in? not just to run and catch, but pick up blitzes, as well. i’ve said this before, but i hate that logic. “dreams CAN come true in the 6th and 7th rd.”. yeah, they can, but that doesn’t mean they will. for every ryan grant or ahmad brooks, there’s a hundred practice squad guys that will never see the light-of-day in an NFL game. let me ask you this: who sees more playing time, ahmad brooks, ladell betts, or najeh davenport, or maurice jones-drew, or chester taylor or julius jones (for that matter) vs. ANY 4th CB.? you tell me.

BTW, before you go and assume that i think RB is the 1st and most important thing we should address come draft day, let me show you a mock that i posted 2 threads ago:

TRADE PREDICTIONS INCLUDED:

DAL trades #22 to MIAMI for #33(?)(r2p1) and #65(r3p1).
DAL trades LB Akin Ayodele to ATLANTA for #99(r4p3)
DAL trades pick #155(5th rd) and 5th rd pick in 2009 to titans for CB adam “pacman” jones

28: WR james hardy, IU
33: CB tracy porter, IU
59: RB/WR chris johnson, ECU
65: NT joseph “red” bryant, TAMU
91: RB kevin smith, USF
99: CB justin king, PSU
123: FB peyton hillis, Ark.
155: pacman trade, Damn U
161: FS michael grant Ark.
187: QB matt flynn, LSU
219: CB wilrey fontenot, Arizona

jquincy:

squid,

you’re right. i don’t know squat about jj’s plans. but you don’t either, bro. i do know that jj is a sound business man. why in the hell haven’t they signed ken hamlin to a long term deal? that would free up money under the cap. for that matter so would extending owens, restructuring romo and trading ayodele. you tell me, in all your knowledge of “jj’s plans”, why hasn’t ANY of this happened? just because it hasn’t, doesn’t mean it won’t. do you really think that “jj” is dumb enough to pin his hopes and dreams for the future on what he thinks a RB might do based on the last few games of a season? by that rational, why, pray tell, didn’t they just cut julius jones the moment they saw marion barber run the ball for the first time? no, hell no, they gave it a couple of YEARS before they didn’t ask him back! HOW STUPID THEY MUST BE IN YOUR OPINION!!! it’s not that i think MB3 is a cowboy lifer, it’s just that what you’re talking about doesn’t happen to a RB in this stage of his career unless there is serious drop off in his level of play. what do i have to back up my opinion? oh, i don’t know, a historical precedence for the ENTIRE NFL!!! all you’re going on is bunch of here and now circumstantial evidence with the pipe dream of a superback drafted in 6th round in sprinkled in there. and you’re telling me you know ANYTHING AT ALL about jj’s plans?

“you can find productive runners anywhere in the draft”

i could find scarlett johannsen standing on my front porch asking to borrow a cup of sugar, but that doesn’t mean i will. if the NFL feels this way, then why all the commotion and clammer about mcfadden or mendenhall, or stewart? why bother, when the next jim brown is just sitting there with his thumb up his ass waiting to drafted in the 6th round?

Chandus:

Look, I’m not saying that we don’t need a RB, that’s indeed a need.

But, I do believe that a 4th CB may be as important as a 2nd RB. Our team was lucky that they had Henry and Newman finally healthy for the Playoffs, that they had to play with Reeves didn’t helped them. As I said, what happens if they’re injured next season in the Playoffs? Another early exit? I don’t want that.

That’s why I think that taking one CB, even if it’s the 2nd CB taken high in the Draft, if he’s the BPA is a good call.

And about the RB that you look up, you do know two of the words that comes out of everyone that has seen film from him, right?

Awful and unexperienced, when they talked about pass protection and how his team didn’t used him much there.

Rafael Vela:

jquincy,

Because 3rd CB is a starting position today in the NFL;

Because Dallas has two corners on its roster and one of them has never started more than ten games in a season in a Dallas uni;

Because both said guys are over 30;

Because supply and demand dictates it — Green Bay got Ryan Grant for peanuts from the Giants. He was FOURTH on their depth chart and put up about 950 yards in seven starts.

Name one team that has a fourth CB it would flip and who could start for a team and perform like that.

Just ONE.

A so-so 3rd corner named Jacques Reeves just got a mint from Houston.

Woodies for a CB? Not thinking outside of the box?

Don’t flatter yourself. I call it facing reality. I’ve been calling for a CB since camp last year.

birdness:

The Texans just signed my last free agent RB target - Chris Brown. Good chance they cut Ron Dayne. So will Jerry wow us with Dayne or Alexander? I’m hoping for a couple RBs, one first day, one later that can battle and bang.

Seeing that trade down with the Phish more and more. An early second and early third could still be two nice players (CB Porter and RB Forte). Getting to the top of third would give Jerry something to sleep on prior to his first pick of the second day - somebody good will slip to 97 or whatever it is.

birdness:

“one team that has a fourth CB”

Asante Samuels was a fourth round CB.

jevans1729:

Squidlo Yours #86

I believe that Ware has two years left on his contract as his original was a five year deal.

birdness:

El torro cacka,

Raf, you were calling for Kenny Phillips.

BishopWest:

jquincy,

I told you already once before, your picks look good, but NO WAY that Miami will want to trade their 2 and 3 to get back in the bottom of the 1st round, not after spending approx. $30 million on the first overall pick.

It is not about, whether or not the trade value numbers match, IT IS ABOUT the money. Miami will not want to trade out of lower rounds (2 and 3) to get back into the first round because of the money.

birdness:

I could see that trade if a guy they value is there. Say they pass on either Jake Long or Matt Ryan, maybe their OT or QB is available at #22. Jerry will want to deal even with another team - that what he does, so the Dolphins will feel the pressure to get the trade done.

jquincy:

raf,

“Because Dallas has two corners on its roster and one of them has never started more than ten games in a season in a Dallas uni;”

and 1 RB that’s never been on the active game day roster (i.e. alonzo coleman)

“Because supply and demand dictates it — Green Bay got Ryan Grant for peanuts from the Giants. He was FOURTH on their depth chart and put up about 950 yards in seven starts.”

he was 4th on the depth charts for about 4 games. then he was 1st.

“Name one team that has a fourth CB it would flip and who could start for a team and perform like that.”

name one team that had a 4th CB that saw that much playing time.

just ONE.

go read through the whole argument before you weigh in. i’m not saying that ANY RB is more important than ANY CB. actually, i’m tired of trying to get put disclaimers on this. plain and simple, the cowboys WILL draft at least ONE RB before they draft TWO CBs. if you think otherwise, than perhaps you should examine just who’s flattering who.

birdness:

“cowboys WILL draft at least ONE RB before they draft TWO CBs.”

The highly touted CBs will be gone by the end of the third, good RBs should still be around after that. If Jerry wants two early CBs he’ll get them. He already has plenty of late round guys in the secondary.

jquincy:

bishopwest,

and i told yoy that that speculation comes from the miami media, not me. they want brian brohm. #22 should be good a place to get him. i’m not saying that this will for sure happen by any means, but what else are mocks good for? if i’m right on everything i predicted, i’m going right out and buying a lottery ticket.

BishopWest:

jquincy,

Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t know that it was the idea of Miami to get Brohm.

Hey, I hope Miami will trade their 2 and 3 for our 1, I think that benefits us more than them.

mlittle:

I’m with the bloggers that feel Dallas can find a running back anywhere during the draft.

I want to see two DB’s picked early on draft day!!!!!

BishopWest:

I’d still have a problem if we select 2 CBs and a RB, but fail to get a young WR.

BishopWest:

Actually I’d like us to pick a CB, WR, RB in no particular order, just the best one available at that point in the draft.

Miamicowboy:

Cap money is staarting to dry up and the next wave of guys will be signed cheap. I’m looking at Ty Law to come here, give us a solid year and give us time to develope a new cb. Tuna signed Matt Baker, cheap.

jquincy,

Greatest blog quote ever, thank you.

“why bother, when the next jim brown is just sitting there with his thumb up his ass waiting to drafted in the 6th round?”

mlittle:

Yeah,

I guess CB and WR are places where both starters are 30ish or more.

Both positions should be addressed in the draft.

I guess the difference is I feel better about our young backup WR’s than I do about our young backup CB’s.

jarhead:

I wouldnt be shocked if dallas drafts two RBs this year.

Nor would I be shocked if they draft two CBs.

As to what order, well lets wait till april to see.

I dont really care what order if they get guys that can play.

Becho:

I hope we trade down and get two more picks in the second and future first founders. there are players that will fill the cowboys needs in the second.

pecos_slim:

birdness,

“Every other mock I look at (away from this site) has Jerry reaching for somebody from Arkansas.”

I just can’t imagine this inclination to predict JJ taking a Razorback is based on actual inside info. Why should we think he would overdraft or trade up to get one? I can see him doing that before he had his epiphany (read, got his ass in gear as a GM), but I can’t see him doing it unless it was a real value for a real, needed talent.

On the other hand, the Tuna apparently chose Bobby Carpenter because his daddy played for him in NY. He liked his daddy. So he drafted his son…OK, I overstate the case. Actually, when asked in his press conferences about Bobby as a prospect, Tuna would, in his typical evasive way, refer to the fact BC was RC’s son, and he came from a good family.

I always thought that was hilarious.

maxdout:

on the rb draft situation, no way we draft one before 3rd round. it’s not a position of great need. we have a rb, we need one to take maybe 10 carries a game. why the hell would we draft that guy higher than the 3rd? it would be stupid. and it does seem that rbs are becoming a dime a dozen. teams are finding good rbs everywhere it seems.

Peter:

I’m kinda with Jarhead on this — get our CB, WR, and RB in whatever order the best value falls to you.

However, just to add food for thought on a slow Cowboy day (thanks, JQ, for stirring the pot and adding interest):

Mayock claimed on NFL network this evening that, contrary to last year, NONE of the WR’s this year have a 1st round grade, though he quickly added that he still expected 3 to go in the first round despite that. Assuming — and this is only conjecture — there are CBs and RBs with 1st round grades and that Dallas will draft at any of these 3 positions depending on which has value at the time they pick, that would suggest the Boys go CB or RB before they go WR.

Also, does anyone think safety is a position we’ll address in the draft? Remember last year’s talk about getting a safety? I know we have Hamlin now, but he may be gone after this season unless we sign him to a longterm deal. If that deal isn’t done before the draft, don’t we need to look at safety before the latest rounds?

Squidlo97:

Jquincy, my point is cost. Why didnt they cut Julius when they saw MBIII could do the same…Cost, he was playing for a rookie contract and rookie contracts = cost effective. It has nothing to do with age or miles, it is simply cost. If a rookie plays this year and can pick up the blitz, catch the ball and average 4.3 yards a carry and cost 1/4 of what MBIII costs then thats the route you take. Its not rocket science

You Im sure know this is a copy cat league and the trend in the NFL is RBs late. Mel Kiper said on the radio today(he is as good as anyone else) that dont be surprized in this draft if you see a RB you thought would go in the 3rd round wind up in the 6th. Mel may be stretching the truth but something is making him predict this.

I really like MBII and his toughness and tenacity but by all indications he is a second teir RB. 1st tier running backs get new deals and not 1st and 3rd tenders. Im not comparing him to another position because different positions have different values.

As far as Scarlett Johansen, that also comes to cost. You and I tegether dont make enough. You and I both know ugly MFers who have enough money get women like that.

Squidlo97:

Peter, Im argueing these points but Ive said the same. It comes down to value and availability. I said in previous posts I would like 2 CBs early but I be happy with Mendenhall, Hardy, and Porter. You have to roll with what comes your way.

Somebody, I believe Scout, said there should be a very big run on CBs. I thought at the time his prediction had some merit but was still a little over the top. Im starting to get on board with that prediction. I think there is going to be a big run.

THEAIRFORCEBAT:

Squidlo why you might be right about barber being a second tier back…its also possible that they’re just buying time to work on a contract.

BishopWest:

If there is an early run on CBs in the top of the 1sr Round, any of these CBs should be able to fill our need for a nickleback. As long as we get at least one of these we should be OK.

Leodis McKelvin
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Mike Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Antoine Cason
Brandon Flowers
Tracey Porter
Reggie Smith
Terrell Thomas
Terrence Wheatley

I hope we get two of these guys.

BishopWest:

And I could probably add Justin King to the list, too.

ElBerraco:

Kevin Jones had a Lisfranc injury at the end of 2006 and tore his ACL in Dec 2007. Uh, no thanks, at least in 08.

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